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Nikolay Ivanovich 13.01.2011 21:11

Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, chromolithograph 1915.
 
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Dear forum. The Museum of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra exposed picture. General view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra. Chromolithograph. 1902. Look here http://www.kplavra.kiev.ua/cgi-bin/v...=gallery&lg=ru
I have a picture (chromolithograph) 1915. Also, with an inscription in large letters, "General view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra. It is true the letter is almost not visible. Size 74 by 53cm. Published by Saad. Added to my angels in the upper corners, paddle steamer, the river, possibly the first tram on the bridge. Painting has never bent. Material, thick paper. Behind, a light brown on the color. Requires restoration. On the left side there is a strain. State of the photo. I suppose that the green paint is painted trees was not completely dried up when the painting was placed under the glass and stuck to it. The painting is a plan-map with numbered buildings and explaining that, under any number is located. In addition to my paintings and one that in the monastery, and other such Internet is not found. Wondering how much can it cost? Would also like to know your opinion about a picture located in the monastery. Judging by the photo, then it kind of is too rich colors, compared to mine. Do you think it is restored or not? Thank you all.

Wladzislaw 13.01.2011 22:57

In Kiev, U.S. $ 50.

redbor 14.01.2011 01:06

"General view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra ', as we know, this panorama has performed Ukrainian artist Zhdaha Ambrose (1855-1927).
 
Chromolithograph with the work published over the years, many printing plants, for example, Printing Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, typography Fesenko in Odessa, etc. ..

Nikolay Ivanovich 14.01.2011 08:55

Thank you. I did not know who the artist. Certainly agree that these cards stamped in large quantities. The question is, how much has come to our time. In fact, the smaller, more valuable. I tried to search through. Requests, "General view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra," "Ambrose Zhdaha", "Publisher Saad practically nothing. Many species, but there are none. While lying. Greeted the mention of a plan-map general view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra in 1898, albeit without pictures. So I have and impression of the rarity of this work. After all, how many years already exists online, and many dealers, antique shops and stalls, including Kiev, bought paintings and stuff, but really could not find. And if the price of such work in Kiev, $ 50, then where would I buy this in a good condition? And as it is doubtful that Kiev is flooded with such works as the Internet is nothing.

Fed 14.01.2011 09:57

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Сообщение от "Nikolay Ivanovich (Сообщение 1468251)
Yes, and how it's doubtful that Kiev was flooded with such works

Kiev is not inundated with cards and Ukraine started in 1919. But without the problems they can be purchased for $ 150.
And they are liquidity-thing and not just on gifts to officials.

And, in good condition.
This is me about linking to your.

Nikolay Ivanovich 14.01.2011 15:00

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 1468291)
Kiev is not inundated with cards and Ukraine started in 1919. But without the problems they can be purchased for $ 150.
And, in good condition.

I have no doubt that the demand dictates supply. As it was interested in cards with the royal family. Both divorced their lots. And all in good condition. Go to the hammer and you will see. But those that are harder to forge, with a postmark from handwriting who wrote those already harder to forge. There also need to pick up the ink and rubber stamps to understand. Therefore, the vast majority of these cards without stamps and congratulations. The same situation with medals. Lots of remakes. Well do you want? Some of the fake dollars, the boys on trial for what the printer to print money, and what is the map? One copied and print with impunity. And the aging of recipes in an Internet search for a long time is not necessary. The main large number did not immediately push. There should be a little observant and not be found on the tales of the warehouses, robbed libraries, etc. If such Chromolithograph now as I have in the internet is almost not found, but tomorrow they will be offered in certain quantities, it can be said that someone had already finished their production. And if the price drops sharply.

Fed 14.01.2011 15:25

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Some of the fake dollars, the boys on trial for what the printer to print money, and what is the map?

So you can have poddelanaya.

Maps is not identical to sell.
Who held the ancient map in the hands of not very believe that $ 150 an adequate price for the forgery of such complexity.

redbor 14.01.2011 15:45

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Сообщение от Nikolay Ivanovich (Сообщение 1468251)
tried through a search. Requests, "General view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra," "Ambrose Zhdaha", "Publisher Saad practically nothing.

Oh yes.
For example:
http://kotlovka.ru/pgalery/displayim...cat=2&pos=1550
http://www.cirota.ru/forum/view.php?...6&order=&pg=38
 (And still is, though sometimes the author's name is distorted.
The artist's name Ambrose A. Zhdaha.)
 and the used books look, there are often sales is likely later reprint.

Nikolay Ivanovich 15.01.2011 07:40

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So you can have poddelanaya.
If even explained why counterfeiting in this state? In general, then, this picture has brought one of the forefathers of the family, who walked over 600 km to Kiev. From there, perhaps, and saying, the language to Kiev.
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maps is not identical to sell. Who held the ancient map in the hands of not very believe that $ 150 an adequate price for the forgery of such complexity.
It is not excluded that among the counterfeits may be originals, but the price may be inadequate for a fake one card and adequate for the nn-th number.
Thank you. I do not find it. Only on the top link site galleries Kotlovka. Understand that they have submitted photographs of paintings, not the picture. At the first top is not the form, and a second form that and the year 1902. Only much she looks like a chromolithograph from a museum laurels. The link I gave.
On the bottom link is the same as a chromolithograph and Kotlovka. And in this picture, in the upper left corner of this message "the glory of God!
Kotlovka.ru "
That is, they just copied the photo from the site Kotlovka. And in the end. There is a picture which is reproduced, but no real pictures. If this snapshot be typed one hundred sites, you will get the impression that the internet is full of such pictures.

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and used books look, there are often sales is likely later reprint.
If the sale is often, I also think that the recent reprinting.

redbor 15.01.2011 13:49

Nikolay Ivanovich, you do what you want?
Rate and sell rare lithograph? I think there are unlikely to help.
 Require special knowledge of lithography and other printing products
This knowledgeable booksellers, galleries of lithographs, for example:
 http://antiquariy.ru/engraving-1-203.html
or similar things: http://rare.org.ua/?cat=8
 http://www.rusbibliophile.ru/Book/Ti...__Putevoditel_
 http://oldkiev.io.ua/album366952_1

Nikolay Ivanovich 15.01.2011 20:37

Dear redbor, I got the impression that you are very well versed in this matter. Could you objectively and without any diplomacy to express everything that you think of this chromolithograph. And what do you think its better to offer as a work of the artist Ambrose Zhdaha or Chromolithograph? Sincerely, Nikolai Ivanovich.

redbor 15.01.2011 21:10

I, unfortunately, this did not know about. It is true I have a small collection of icons, the method Chromolithograph on metal.
These icons also Draw products and are valued much lower
than hand-painted icons izogafami.
But at a Sotheby's has already bought such icons of 200-300 ang.funtov thing.
so ...
 About the same lithograph paper - I only know that in such things understand booksellers

Nikolay Ivanovich 16.01.2011 08:33

I'll try to summarize. Paintings, chromolithograph, photos, titled "General view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra," the Internet is full. Uniquely existing works, the artist Ambrose Zhdaha just two. My 1915 and the museum's laurels in 1902. The site also has http://kotlovka.ru/pgalery/displayim...cat=2&pos=1550 snapshot of 1902. Perhaps a picture made with a third of the existing work of Ambrose Zhdaha. Although, in my opinion, on the site, a photo taken with the work in the museum laurels. Explain. Over 109 years of existence of paintings in 1902, they could not continue in the same state. One would have faded more than others. Formed which would then tears, fold marks, in a museum some storage conditions, with private individuals other. Must take into account that for 109 years there were two civil wars +. In the second laurel was badly damaged, so in the first post I asked whether the work restavrirovals 1902. The Soviet government also particularly did not like religion and the church. So Comrade%at 99, shot from the site is a work stored in a monastery. The fact that "in the used books look, there are often sales is likely later reprints. Also think that selling copies. After all, if they sold pre-revolutionary works of Ambrose Zhdaha, then they would have and the price was higher and in order to obtain a larger income such originals exposed to the Internet. I tried to search the internet works Ambrose Zhdaha that would be sold. In addition to the cover to the grammar so postcards, found nothing, can be bad looking. Although the Internet is replete with ads, "Marketplace of Ukrainian artists.
The conclusions are as follows. Realistically, there are two works by the artist Ambrose Zhdaha "General view of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra. That in a museum laurels, collectors are not available. So probably it makes sense to restore mine. I think that after the restoration would be a good gift to any church or official, as rare. All the same, it reflects not only the history of the Ukrainian church but the whole of Russia. And the power of Elijah of Murom there and Stolypin, and much more. Even in Moscow there was, as Laura was. And if the Kievan Rus, the cradle of the Slavic peoples, the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra heart of Kievan Rus. Perhaps what is wrong. Tweak. I am no expert in this field.

Fed 16.01.2011 09:48

Interestingly this is only the fact that the famous Odessa schedule participated once in the association of South artists and then-society Kostandi.
Interested in this can those who are interested TYuRHom, although it is doubtful, because the map is not specified, as I understand it, the artist.
Therefore, it may be interested Kraeznavtsev, but as such?

It is interesting that you were told at a local antique shop?

Wladzislaw 16.01.2011 19:07

Nikolay Ivanovich,

everything you write will sound very convincing to colleagues, relatives of a glass of vodka vodka admire a masterpiece.

For collectors, art dealers and investors in the art of your reproduction does not represent any significant interest.

The largest amount of money you can get the owner of a restaurant or cafe with a historical design.


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