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russophile 20.11.2010 01:56

An unusual icon, please, the cost of
 
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Thank you experts for your condideration. Please forgive me if this is long but I hope you understand. My Icon is written by Victor Vasnetsov. I do not wish to discuss attribution (unless experts want) but only valuation. The Icon is oil and guilding on cradled wood panel 40cm x 26.5 x 2.6. The Icon was examined by experts at the Denver Art Museum (X-ray, X-ray florescence, spectrum analysis). Conclusion is a "fully realized study" of the main apse of the St. Vladimir Cathedral in Kiev and dated 1885-95 (www.icon-art.info/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3183 see comment #22122). Icon was vandalized prior to export in 2004, signature was scatched off. I have also included comparative photos from a Tretyakov catalogue (see: www.icon-art.info/phpBB2//viewtopic.php?p=5445). Considering all my questions are:
1. What is value if 1885-95 is correct?
2. What is value if date is 1912?
3. What is value if Icon was commissioned by Empress Alexandra for the coronation of Nicholas II (Icon lacks halos which might be for the benefactor of the Vladimir Cathedral)?
I appreciate and look forward to your consideration.

Игорь Гурьев 20.11.2010 03:02

Neavtorskaya copy of the same time, obviously.

Тютчев 20.11.2010 03:12

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russophile, covershenno clear that this work has written not Viktor Vasnetsov. For Vasnetsov, it is very poorly written! (However, it is poorly written, not only for Vasnetsov. This is generally a very bad thing for the painting) similarity with well-known works by Viktor Vasnetsov very conditional. Compare for yourself:

russophile 20.11.2010 03:38

I know many here will believe this is a copy. I do not ask for attribution. I would please ask only for valuation based on the assumption it is Vasnetsov. If the experts would please play the game (so to speak). Thank you for your consideration.

Тютчев 20.11.2010 04:01

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Сообщение от russophile (Сообщение 1397361)
I know many here believe that it is a copy.
I'm not asking for attribution.
I would ask only for the estimates are based on the assumption that it Vasnetsov.
If the experts please, play games (so to speak).
Thank you for your attention.


You want to get information about the cost of the work written by Vasnetsov? But what can score without the assurance that this work was written by Viktor Vasnetsov? And I will reiterate, is not the work of Viktor Vasnetsov! This means that this board is worth nothing!
 
 Painter Victor Mikhailovich Vasnetsov could not write such a poor job! Only a person completely unaware of Russian art can not believe you! In the games I play with you not going, but also distort the picture of the artist's will not.

russophile 20.11.2010 04:17

Vladimir Stasov-Dmitry Filosofov. Please I do not wish to offend. I would not write if I did not have strong forensic evidence. I only wish to know potential value based on my assumption. Nothing more. I apologize for any offense those here may perceive. That is not my intention.

Кирилл Сызранский 20.11.2010 08:07

russophile, you yourself have given link for discussion of this icon
and on the forum are the strongest professionals.

russophile 20.11.2010 10:15

Not on topic but an interesting read:

www.icon-art.info/phpBB2//viewtopic.php?t=2658

dedulya37 20.11.2010 10:19

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russophile,


See:

redbor 20.11.2010 12:57

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Сообщение от russophile; 1397231"
What is value if the icon on the order of Empress Alexandra for the coronation of Nicholas II (the icon is missing halos, which may be a benefactor to St. Vladimir's Cathedral)?

See. That author's copy of the image of the Virgin of Viktor Vasnetsov.
Written by Viktor Vasnetsov a gift to spouses Prahov after paintings of Vladimir's Cathedral in March 1889. Located in TsAKe MDA.
 Could not have Vasnetsov, "commissioned by the Empress Alexandra, to make" author's copy "like your icon.
Compare, though, the legs of the baby. Leakey compared even 2 years ago

Ika-Ika 20.11.2010 13:12

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Сообщение от "russophile (Сообщение 1397411)
I would not write if I did not have strong forensic

What he does not believe can? Maybe it banned?

Артём 20.11.2010 16:46

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Сообщение от "Ika-Ika (Сообщение 1397651)
Well, he did not believe it can? Maybe it banned?

Believes, does not believe any examination.
The whole forum has subscribed, it's a bad copy, and costs nothing!
Competently all man explained!
Topic to be closed, let not believe further!

Ika-Ika 20.11.2010 19:07

But worst of all, this icon nichego.Ona lives his zhiznyu.Babushka in a remote village to pray at this image and get blagodat.Eto proves once again that Vasnetsov created the image, which is harmoniously blended into our lives and has the right to povtoreniya.A Raphael, and Leonardo also created a fact that stuck in Rossii.Taynuyu Supper (which really there is not a reproduction or repetition) are hung above the Holy Doors, and the Sistine Madonna, I've often seen in temples, although not in Moscow.

Кирилл Сызранский 20.11.2010 19:14

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Сообщение от Ika-Ika (Сообщение 1398131)
grandmother in a remote village to pray at this image and receive grace.

It's still not a remote village icon, obviously for the rich class - akademka on gold leaf yes and no size is to house the village.

russophile 21.11.2010 08:17

If I may ask, would it not be unusual for the rich class to commission or buy a copy, especially during Vasnetsovs lifetime?

redbor, I agree about babys leg. It was explained to me that it is the difference in standard light brush technique of academy training versus a deliberate impasto technique. The difference in the size of the works may also be an explanation.

Also is not the author trained in academic painting and iconography?

Thank you.


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