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Кирилл Сызранский 01.04.2012 23:30

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Сообщение от Vladimir; 2051171"
By the way, we are about a month ago, had planned an article about the nature of the problems with the market of contemporary art and how the proposed solutions.

Oh, "proposed solutions"! It's very interesting.
But to me, then
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should put aside the culture and return to the discussion of contemporary Russian art market.

it seems that the solutions will remind Trishkin coat:
I Trishka coat pushed his way to the elbows.
As a long time to think here? He started for the needle:
For a quarter sleeves cut off -
And paid the elbows. Coat again, ready;
Only a quarter golee hands were.
(a) :D
Without addressing the issue of culture (buying a new coat material for sewing), I think, "suggested solutions" will be the solution of some problems on the basis of siyaminutnyh we would stand day and night prpoderzhatsya. "

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Сообщение от Vladimir; 2051171"
Colleagues, this column - "Kaleidoscope Art", and we are rapidly leaving the "Pavilion."

 And what's the harm? Well, talk ... We, Vladimir, at the forum, but not in the format of an interview with prepared questions and even the time is not limited, to run home after the interview is not necessary. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
I am afraid that here in the forum you will no one seriously tezisno "solutions" for these theses rasspisannye the points so even with the detail work asking people for money and substantial. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

artcol 01.04.2012 23:37

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2051291)
for such theses rasspisannye the points so even with the detail work asking people for money and substantial.
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Ask-ask it, but who else would give them something?
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Yes, and theses are well known.
Since the beginning of the 20th century, if not sooner.

Vladimir 01.04.2012 23:40

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran ; 2051291"
I'm afraid that here in the forum you will no one seriously tezisno " solutions " for these theses rasspisannye the points so even with the detail work asking people for money and considerable

not the case. Abstracts has long been written and interviews on this subject are recorded . The case for small - to collect and arrange .

Кирилл Сызранский 01.04.2012 23:56

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 2051321)
is not quite true.
Abstracts has long been written and interviews on this subject are recorded.
The case for small - to collect and place.


Yes, class!

And we - who wants to - and still talk with your permission.
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Yes, and theses are well known.

Nail them, as Luther, on the door Winery.
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Maskit 02.04.2012 00:08

iside, a little late in answering your questions is money earmarked for culture should go on its creation, and not to destruction , and this position is relevant for any prezidente.Moy personal choice here is not prichem.I decent people to do a lot. A Chernukho I mean at least the same you mentioned Oleg Mavromatti in his performances , he cut himself with a razor blade and the crucifying nails , all of it at vnature.Bylo Gelman. Leonid Bazhanov is a very - he was the director approves the NCCA. And people know how to determine the goodness of insanity is not just me, but I think many try - and you'll get .

artcol 02.04.2012 00:24

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2051331)

They were also 95?

No, they are much smaller, but still decipher the mysterious number.

Кирилл Сызранский 02.04.2012 00:31

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Сообщение от Maskit; 2051351"
Chernukho And I mean at least the same you mentioned Oleg Mavromatti in his performances , he cut himself with a razor blade and the crucifying nails , all vnature .

You did not attend his performances, he did not cut you , not your nails, hands nailed - what you Mavromatti ? <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
What he Hecuba , that he Hecuba ? ( a ) :)

iside 02.04.2012 00:50

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Сообщение от Maskit; 2051351"
Chernukho And I mean at least the same you mentioned Oleg Mavromatti in his performances, he cut himself with a razor blade and the crucifying nails

In principle, arguing quite coolly and impartially, I can understand the reasons for Gelman and Bazhanov (as well as other curators), he may be interested in - a kind of quest for truth, the search for new artistic expression, the search for revelation. Are they (supervisors) are eligible? Yes, of course. All that is prohibited by law, is allowed. Let her lead the search can get to something interesting. Time will tell.

In my opinion, Mavromatti - it is not chernukha, it's just a sick man. Like the Marquis de Sade. Sometimes, to understand what is good, can only be confronted with evil, alas. But that's just my opinion, which has a right to exist as any other. The world is too complex and multifaceted to be able to explain and understand with simple words and deeds.

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Сообщение от Maskit; 2051351"
Leonid Bazhanov is a very-he was the director approves the NCCA.

The experimental part of art can not be banned, just because it does not like me or you, or even both of us. Also, I think it would be a mistake and push it into the absolute priorities. That's why I said in the first post about the balance between public and private support and properly prioritized. If I knew the answers to the questions, I would not start this topic. I'm curious to hear different opinions and try to make their own conclusions.

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Сообщение от Maskit; 2051351"
And people know how to determine the goodness of insanity is not just me, but I think many try-and you will have.

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artcol 02.04.2012 00:54

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 2051381)
I am interested to hear different opinions and try to make their own conclusions.

Isis, what conclusions you did, and they are still too early?

iside 02.04.2012 01:27

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Сообщение от artcol; 2051411"
Isis, what conclusions you did, and they are still too early?

Yes, some ideas have become clearer. In particular, I agree with the COP on the general development of culture. Especially now, these two reports it a, and 2
 - I fully share and support.

Glad post Vivian, who wrote here about the painting for $ 300 - I we thought it was just my bad there are such people. <! - ~ 7 ~ -> It turns out this geographical framework.

Constantine and Vladimir, in my view is too narrow look at the problem from one side of the art market, he and his development, they are important, but to deny or not to attach importance to the general importance of cultural growth - this is to dig faster and deeper, but the narrow diameter of the well . Somehow, I imagine.

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Сообщение от artcol; 2050411 '
That is, create a demand for possession of the PI by increasing cultural object?

It does not matter to me was, but I think it is.

What is strange for me personally, so that the conversation with ravymi intervals rolled into the discussion as such sales and sales growth, as well as those who have money, those necessary to pay attention, and the rest let it sit with the carpet on the wall. This is wrong, and that's why, I'll write tomorrow. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->


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