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Семен Семенович 27.02.2010 13:53

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 946502)
The chances that the artists more.

You know how it does not hurt to hear the artists, but their success depends on those people who engaged in the promotion of their (artists) on the market. Well, judge for yourself if the artist, with some success for sale of the studio, he has a certain number of people buying paintings for myself - the collection or wall decoration (though one does not interfere) ... But while the saturation is still coming (in a year, 3,5 ...). A market of this artist never knows. The movement of his works took place a short way from the author to the end consumer. The market here has not been activated. And many artists faced with this can not understand what happened. We are with you, dear (all plans) artists should work together. And let it be, you are primary in this partnership, but it will take you to the market or not, depends on the dealer (galireista), from his skills, relationships, and nowhere is no getting away from this, interest ... As they say: C'est la vie ...

Причал 27.02.2010 13:55

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 949942)
I understand that that the veteran had been working. that you're comfortable with .. And to explain to a human is much ask (and more humane, I) is not it?
Ultimately, a friendly and sincere communication more cost-effective, is not it?

Let's you I will not explain how I deal with grandfathers. Generally, all the grandparents, or close to, the opening of the exhibitions are hanging on me bunches.

Veterans do not want to give the old pictures. They are one of the few artists who are well aware (old hudsovetovskaya hardening, ahha), they have better and worse. And it does not tend to this part. Old ruse. Someone who. Oh for them do not worry.
As I finally achieve my pictures trade secret. I can only say that their health is impressive is that I am familiar with the topic.

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich (Сообщение 949932)
I also have such options. Artist - good work - good price - the limit (interest galleries trudnovpisuemy). Getting Started (artist after all interesting) with a minimum interest (30). Emerging consumers. But they require a discount (if permanent, I have up to 20%). You begin to call the artist and, in your expression, clowning. Many of the pony and agree. The process goes. Some refuse to lower the price, but after a couple of days, call and ask: well, that bought? Receiving a negative answer to start talking about what you can of course and reduce ... But, the train then - left ... If you do not trust galereistu - better with the longer work.

All alone in one. Just literally. So even a quote without diminishing :)

NATA NOVA 27.02.2010 13:59

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Сообщение от Berth (Сообщение 949982)
Let me you will not explain how I deal with grandfathers. Generally, all the grandparents, or close to, the opening of the exhibitions are hanging on me bunches.

Veterans do not want to give the old pictures. They are one of the few artists who are well aware (old hudsovetovskaya hardening, ahha), they have better and worse. And it does not tend to this part. Old ruse. Someone who. Oh for them do not worry.
As I finally achieve my pictures trade secret. I can only say that their health is impressive is that I am familiar with the topic.
     

Well, if "they know" and you know why the game?

Причал 27.02.2010 14:11

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 950012)
Well, if "they know" and you know why the game?

Rules are. Imposed by them. Also it seems from the artistic council got :D
They have the same picture there ten times then forced to build upon. That class lowered. I have, incidentally, an old book with quotations hudfondovskaya somewhere there.
And about the game with the prices - they are also introduced.
Sami immediately say: such a price, if that call.
Many artists have adopted this style and not just the elderly.

The phrase in the doorway: "if anything - call. And both clearly what it means.

And revels about why a particular picture? There are many reasons. But they leave with a picture sorry. Tell all need. They were pleased to see specialists in the studio, talk, well, not in the gallery at tea, in reality do <!--~ 10 "-" have to kill half a day. Who pleasant, useful, with whom tiring, but still useful - information, history, much of everything.

Pavel 27.02.2010 14:51

In any case something !:shy:
And who asked to sell a previously purchased the picture, not exchange, namely to sell?

NATA NOVA 27.02.2010 14:53

wharf, times four (4) read ... (not mastered ..- higher mathematics) ...

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Сообщение от Berth (Сообщение 949982)
Let me you will not explain how I deal with grandfathers.

wharf, then again you implitsiruete-manipulate (so looks like, sorry)
In another not tried?
I do not talk in that tone of voice (the last time on rakes come, I hope)

Therefore, do not understand what you mean (in fact) ...

Veronic 27.02.2010 15:49

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 950102)
In some cases a !:shy:
And who asked to sell a previously purchased the picture, not exchange, namely to sell?

Paul, it is in this case, the auction starts. if the artist is dead, so he did not write the paintings, which are directly in the workshop can buy (and it confuses the market), which makes it possible to start the game with prices. This is called the secondary market.
I am personally surprised if the pictures are in the living artists come to auction. It is logically clear that the workshop will be cheaper to buy, and there is a risk that an artist with his own hands the market will fill up, there is no control.

Семен Семенович 27.02.2010 16:27

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Сообщение от Veronic (Сообщение 950242)
I personally wonder if the picture is still in living artists come to auction. It is logically clear that the workshop will be cheaper to buy, and there is a risk that an artist with his own hands the market will fill up, there is no control.

At the auction pictures should not fall on the basis of survival (excuse) of the artist, but for its artistic value ... And the studio is not always cheaper to obtain. In self-respecting artists working with reputable galleries, just the opposite. The artist allowed to come to the wrong person in the holy of holies, spent a lot of time and nerves to communicate, to pay 10 percent of the gallery (from the transaction amount). A buyer was able to select and interact with the maestro ... So pay more than the gallery, not less. That is my understanding that cooperation. Then we can say that the market is civilized, the formation of ..., where each has its place.

Veronic 27.02.2010 16:38

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich (Сообщение 950412)
At the auction the picture should not fall on the basis of survival (excuse) of the artist, but for its artistic value ... And the studio is not always cheaper to obtain. In self-respecting artists working with reputable galleries, just the opposite. The artist allowed to come to the wrong person in the holy of holies, spent a lot of time and nerves to communicate, to pay 10 percent of the gallery (from the transaction amount). A buyer was able to select and interact with the maestro ... So pay more than the gallery, not less. That is my understanding that cooperation. Then we can say that the market is civilized, the formation of ..., where each has its place.

Are you talking about the ideal relationship. But, life happens so rarely. Yes, of course, if the artist will be offered a very lucrative contract for him, only then to be insane to sell out of the shop is cheaper. However, such contracts rarely offer gallery owners, and artists from time to time it seems that the workshop can earn more than the shares with the gallery owners.

Then Paul asked a specific question "And who is asked to sell a previously purchased the picture, no exchange, namely to sell?" What do you say?

And yet, at the auction (the West) get a lot of things, not necessarily on the basis of artistic value. It is all about price alone and nothing more. There are a large quantity of auctions around the world, information on sales which is decentralized.

Pavel 27.02.2010 16:43

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Сообщение от Veronic (Сообщение 950242)
Paul, it is in this case, the auction starts. if the artist is dead, so he did not write the paintings, which are directly in the workshop can buy (and it confuses the market), which makes it possible to start the game with prices. This is called the secondary market.
I am personally surprised if the pictures are in the living artists come to auction. It is logically clear that the workshop will be cheaper to buy, and there is a risk that an artist with his own hands the market will fill up, so there is no control.

Here you are wrong. When the artist sold at auction, then only specify the price at this particular moment. The artist, if he is not bound by the treaty, which rarely happens, just more expensive and starts to sell their belongings at the new price and all.
When the records of Vollare said that the director or client gave Vlaminck paintings, it seems that they have risen in price just because at Drouot increased demand for Vlaminck, and it rose. The artist becomes more expensive, richer owners and traders. Impressionists risen at Drouot, etc. Read the monograph on Utrillo, the same thing.
Artists still becoming more expensive and took seats at the price, only at auction quickly and naturally, and without a long and unnatural.
Unnatural I call when prices are set by the seller.


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