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ANATOLY 15.11.2012 15:22

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2340501"
Anatoly, for reliability (ie, comparable with the actual sales
in Russia) publishers are not responsible, I believe that this is "a book for the sake of the market" or, rather, "for those who are interested, but not enough that he understands." Professional sources artprice, artnet work on - to another.
My experience - 4 - 200 TR, academician - 160 TR
Objections?

On November 27 SOVKOME autsion exposed to a large number of works of folk artist Samson EI (category 4B) at mostly 10-30 thousand rubles. Previously there offered for sale Drozdov AY (category 5c) at 5-50 t.dollarov. In Kolomna now runs his show, and if you can go see a Muscovite. And what can you say about your experience? In Russia, there were many extra money and many were engaged in gathering, including painting, is not figuring in it, and for a 2-3goda not acquire knowledge. Here with all the cracks and got out the "experts" advise you to buy this or that artist, who in ten years will cost several orders of magnitude higher and so the guys buy "... I still draw." And those who are well versed in the art are well aware that 90 percent of new collections in 20 years and for 10 percent of the current value will not sell. Therefore, today, and need not only EXP and artistic sites like this one, and publications, and forums, and much more. And make the decision to buy or not to buy will still need most. Today: one to improve their financial position by using the ignorance of others, others just to part with the money, as they arrived and departed. Alas, at all times, art was elitist, this will continue.

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Сообщение от Toinen (Сообщение 2340231)
And all???

Assume cap on the forum and give you just type.

Кирилл Сызранский 15.11.2012 15:45

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Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2341381"
In Russia, there were many extra money and many were involved in gathering

How many people have come to occupy this same gathering images?
5000 , 10 000 people ? Or can 100 000? What do you think ? Here's how to Scoop the auction come and how many lots for sale? Thousands of lots or sotenku ? And the other " many collectors " where replenish their collections ? On the street or in the CHA CHA ? But on every show in the CHA sold pictures? One, two , three , or maybe ten?
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Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2341381"
is here with all the cracks and got out the "experts" advise you to buy this or that artist , which in ten years will cost several orders of magnitude higher and so the guys buy " ... I still draw ."

I am in fact , it seems the year or a little earlier offered to test my prediction: I gave the year deadline to check the growth of prices for the work of one artist (though he was ready then definitely call the three authors ), and even called the rate of growth of prices.
None of the investors have not inquired any name.
 :D>
A s talking about some 10 years. Year!

ANATOLY 15.11.2012 16:59

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2341441"
How many people have come to occupy this same gathering images?
5000, 10 000 people? Or can 100 000? What do you think?
That's how many people Scoop during the auction come and how many lots for sale? Thousands of lots or sotenku? And the other "many collectors" where replenish their collections? On the street or in the CHA CHA? But on every show in the CHA sold pictures? One, two, three, or maybe ten? How, do you think will buy this painting exhibition Kolomna Drozdov?
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Cyril! In the first hello. Second, you are one of the few that are quite professionally versed in painting and not argue with that, and your opinion is valuable to many. Third, I'm sorry for the last 20 years was in Samara and the painting, and collectors of this beautiful city can not judge, but many of the city know. Take for example the Lipetsk, but collectors such as Moscow and St. Petersburg emitting fortunes of prestigious authors, is not there. But in the cities of its artists (Sorokin Sorochkin, Salnikov, Sobolev, Klimov, Zlobin Kolykhalov, etc.) and their collectors within their means, not everyone can collect Rothko and Faibisovich. And there are collectors in Lipetsk over 30 people for such a small town, not too little. Go to Penza and there you will find quite a few interesting things - Goriushkin-Sorokopudov, chamomile, Varnashov, Nikolaev, Filatov, and many others, the paintings of these artists very much in demand and they are not only sold in the Crimean Val and Prechistenka, but in the galleries of Lipetsk and Penza. And this, in the vast majority of cities of Russia. And the prices for these artists it is even higher than in Moscow, and it is quite understandable, the so-called patriotic collecting. And there are thousands of collections in Russia, they are certainly not like the Avenue, Bondarenko, Manasherov, Suslovu.A Drozdov course for the money will not buy, not by Senka cap. F.Vasilev born again 100 years, and many artists, especially modern painters only different from what one misses the wall, and another on the canvas. Here is a summary.

Кирилл Сызранский 15.11.2012 19:15

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Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2341531"
Go to Penza and there you will find quite a few interesting things - Goriushkin- Sorokopudov , chamomile, Varnashov , Nikolaev , Filatov , and many others , the paintings of these artists very much in demand

Well , chamomile , perhaps, in Penza, you can buy , but Goriushkin- Sorokopudov long since covered in Pezenskoy Regional Art Gallery named after KA Savitsky. :)>
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Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2341531"
Here is a summary .

 Fine, but the question about the number of collectors Vtak never responded.
Or is
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Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2341531"
such collections in Russia thousands

answer?

Сергей Мельников 15.11.2012 20:35

Gelos
 
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Сообщение от Felizzia (Сообщение 2340771)
I told two people who have sent me a request 14.11.12 in personal messages .

Felicia , good evening! 29.11.2012 will be held at Gelos auction season. Fairly representative event . It may be worthwhile to charge your thing there, to string "Russian and Western European art "? It costs nothing , that is, free. Determine for yourself the "reserve price ", ie the price is cheaper that does not give up. Match the commission percentage that Gelos take with you in case of sale. Usually it is 15%, 10%try to bargain . Phone Hope ( painting department ) - almost pun - 8-495-945-63-09 . I think it will give an immediate response to the two questions: whether the author claimed and whether the price is adequate .
Good luck!

Sincerely,
Sergei

Кирилл Сызранский 15.11.2012 20:41

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2341831
I think it will give an immediate response to the two questions: whether the author claimed and whether the price is adequate.

The author, of course, has been used as the known and the price goes similarity sketch with a posthumous exhibition of the author and of the same size.

Сергей Мельников 15.11.2012 20:58

Gelos
 
This information is useful for what?
If you know everything, why no one is buying?
Even immodest proposals do not.
A council was addressed to Felicia - a thing, then it!
Even if it solves.

Кирилл Сызранский 15.11.2012 21:00

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2341831
I think it will give an immediate response to the two questions: whether the author claimed and whether the price is adequate.

By this:

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2341881
This useful information to what?

 
:)>

Сергей Мельников 15.11.2012 21:10

Gelos
 
Apparently, so subtle and deep, that the brain refuses to understand.
And why not cited lack of buyers?

Кирилл Сызранский 15.11.2012 21:13

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2341941
And why not have cited the lack of buyers?

OK, I quote:

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Сообщение от Felizzia (Сообщение 2340771)
I said to two people who have sent me a request 14.11.12 in personal messages.



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