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Seriy 02.04.2011 22:11

fross, here it is, the women's fickleness ...
:-)

I again propose to close the topic, as we walk in a circle.

DSF 03.04.2011 00:44

Yes, the topic went to the side, but it just happened, you do not like my words and you decided to find out "who breeches Shirshov.
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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1583393)
You destroy the work, because I think that you understand what's worked and what did not, but I do not understand.

Yes, I understand, for 25 years has learned to understand, you still are, I hope to be. And if you do not learn - an artist of you do not succeed. Will only "expert" another painting.

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1583393)
Monet, he tried to fight the control of mind over his work.

Cite please. And Van Gogh, too.
 
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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1583393)
If you think that the skill is your control over the creation of pictures, you never create a good painting.

Reply connoisseur: "All I do is the result of deliberation and study the old masters. On inspiration, spontaneity and temperament, I do not know. "

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1583393)
P.S. No sadness I have no ... There are new buyers who like what I'm doing now. And I know that there are people who will buy my work when I returned back from today's style ...

You do not understand. Tosca will be in 15-20 years if you continue to operate as now. This is a problem for your future. I repeat, I have no doubt the commercial success of the project Ixygon. And money can stifle the voice of conscience for a long time. But they are like a drug, all the while demanding higher doses. And if it does not increase - coming crash. Artists are experiencing this difficult period: some ruin oneself by drink, others marry young in the hope of cheer, others are trying to turn back the clock. But, to pull, they return to the thumb groove, calm down, and that's when it appears and that same yearning in his eyes.

I want to remind one truth, it is exactly about people like you: «Art is not too difficult for someone who knows little, but for someone who knows a lot ... the situation is completely different».
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Сообщение от Ika-Ika (Сообщение 1583341)
And you can see your work?

In my profile.

Кирилл Сызранский 03.04.2011 00:56

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Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 1584761)
A connoisseur : " All I do is the result of deliberation and study the old masters . On inspiration , spontaneity and temperament , I do not know ».

Yes , the words of this " expert " worth listening to : and the life lived long and survived many colleagues and associates , and the life had gone well known and recognized artists .

Seriy 03.04.2011 07:36

DSF,


Ingo F.
Walther

Rainer Metzger


VAN GOGH

The Complete Paintings


Tashen, 2010



By the way, I followed many, went to your albums for high sample your original painting, but found a Botticelli and Fra Angelico.

Fed 03.04.2011 08:51

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1584843)
BTW, I followed many , went to your albums of the highest examples of your original painting , but found a Botticelli and Fra Angelico .

That means you have to have a common DSF - one moves in line with the avant-garde , the other Italian primitives . Both directions , which I love.
Why reinvent the wheel, always talked about it .

NATA NOVA 03.04.2011 10:39

Dear friends,
I have very strong impression, some of us never read Leo's CV & his bio...

DSF 03.04.2011 14:59

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1583361)
And I close approach of Van Gogh in this case: drawing and painting, with no discard, but to keep even the most crooked thing.

You forget one important thing. Van Gogh was on the content of his brother. And the paintings, which he wrote, belonged not only to him personally, but also his brother. Everything he wrote, he sent his brother and brother had to decide what to keep and what not. Here is a quote from a letter dated May 2, 1889: "... thou receive them no earlier than one week. In them a lot of trash, who better to destroy, I sent you indiscriminately everything that I had, and only you will choose and maintain what sochtesh worthwhile. "

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1584843)
By the way, I followed many, went to your albums for high sample your original painting, but found a Botticelli and Fra Angelico.
Ingo F. Walther
Rainer Metzger
VAN GOGH
The Complete Paintings
Tashen, 2010

1.Smotrite better, there's my work. In general, you got me with someone confused. I do not consider myself particularly talented, and certainly not consider myself as great as Pavel. I have modest abilities, I'm trying to develop a measure of its light forces. If ever there at least one of my work will be on the same wall with the "Globe" Bonnard, I'll be very happy.
2. Do not give a link to the book. All such books are well known to me. Give a specific quotation, which says "of Monet, he tried to fight the mind control over their work, tormented by this, I tried to write very quickly, so that the mind could not keep control of every stroke. The same problem studied and Van Gogh. "Specifically, the letter in which Van Gogh is said about this?

I-V 03.04.2011 17:07

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Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 1585103)
You're forgetting one important thing. Van Gogh was on the content of his brother. And the paintings, which he wrote, belonged not only to him personally, but also his brother. Everything he wrote, he sent his brother and brother had to decide what to keep and what not. Here is a quote from a letter dated May 2, 1889: "... thou receive them no earlier than one week. In them a lot of trash, who better to destroy, I sent you indiscriminately everything that I had, and only you will choose and maintain what sochtesh worth. »

Theo seems to have thought it worth a lot - big thanks to him! :)

In fact, I can not live without respect for the artists who have full merciless to himself, your arms destroy bad things. But this - a double edged sword: it seems nowadays people have gradually come to believe that the artist most interesting is not so much the result of his work as very creative way. Even more, it is interesting personality artist. His very life becomes a kind of product. As a consequence, everyone, even a minor element in this life, becomes enduring value. Hence the interest generated by the personal belongings of the artist, all related to his life of material evidence. Not without reason, true connoisseurs are willing to save every scrap, the most trifling pocherkushku favorite author, if only through it as close to understanding his personality. Valuable it becomes everything.

And, of course, knowing that the author has destroyed the bad from his point of view things from fans is undisguised annoyance. Comfort may be the fact that in so doing, the artist did not change myself, and did only what was peculiar to his nature.
An artist can not conceive that his unsuccessful things go for a walk around the world, the other - with peace of mind meet their wildest thing in someone's collection. Thus, he pleads and such. Let unfortunate, but this is it.

I feel closer to this approach. A word spoken is past recalling, as from the artist's life can not erase a single picture. As it is ironic, the artist himself with interest may relate not only to his paintings, but also to his own personality. He can be himself is interesting, and analyzing their career, to take it in all together, being above the fray, not taking any position. Of course, in this case, and it takes some value, each own work. And by selling it, he did not hesitate taking the money, glad only that it will allow him to continue to put such an interesting experiment, as an artist. "
However, careless and here net.Tam place where there is a sincere love for the arts, failures are usually accidental and usually result from fatigue or similar outside reasons.

Anyway, this is not comparable to those businessmen, who, without any interest in their own works, wallows in the runup pattern sbyvaya them as pies. They, incidentally, is easy to determine precisely on what failures they do not happen at all. All of their "creativity" failed to identify and always stays at one level, where there is no downs, no ups.

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Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 1585103)
Provide a specific quotation, which says" of Monet, he tried to fight the mind control over their work, tormented by this, I tried to write very quickly, so that the mind could not keep control of every stroke. The same problem studied and Van Gogh. "Specifically, the letter in which Van Gogh is said about this?

DSF, if you will permit me, I will mail a remarkable painter and theorist, a member of the association "Makovec" Lev Fedorovich Zhegin (1892 -1969):


LETTERS FROM THE LION FEDOROVICH Zhegin

NI Khardzhiev

I think I told you that probably in 1914 asked Chekrygin VA - Is it difficult to write? He responded in different ways - it said that it is the greatest pain, and pain, at other times even angry - how can works be excruciating. Now I'm leaning towards the latter. After all, it is about intuition - and, consequently, a miracle. Can the miracle be difficult?

July 7, 1962

From the letters JH Livkinu

Creativity - is the transition from the unconscious into the sphere of consciousness. For some, this process is made easy, others difficult. You belong to the first - I have to second.

Consciousness is always hurt me, I had him one way or another lull, - "then write," Why did not I invent this purpose! And now you're thinking - sat at an easel and paint - there's a lot harder, and I imagine that now, but tomorrow's number - it sounds crazy? "So, I dipped into the ever-volatile temporary stream. And since time is inseparably with the space, such a cunning way leads me to the feeling of space in painting. This time, perhaps , central


In fact, the problem posed by a gray, very important. No doubt it is facing the mass of artists, but we must bear in mind that it is rather a psychological nature, and is a "heritage" artists because of their inherent neuroticism :) ;)

DSF 03.04.2011 18:53

IV, with everything you wrote, I agree.
Thanks for the quote from the letter L. Zhegin.
But I'd still like to hear specifically from Seriy of Monet and Van Gogh.
If he referred to Zhegin, my questions would not exist.

Seriy 03.04.2011 19:10

DSF, you'll have to wait, as I quote on the card is not issued, and to comb the entire two-volume set is not a great time.
How natolknus again, to take a page and lay out.
Do not worry, a quotation will sooner or later.


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