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Кирилл Сызранский 29.04.2012 13:19

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Сообщение от Magnolia (Сообщение 2087421)
petition in Russia called the burner stove

"Brow" - a person, the front part of the head, so just call and arched opening in front of the Russian stove.

zarajara 29.04.2012 13:39

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087261)


And " the Union " intellectuals have been more successful in life than working - farmers .
Remember how she lived , or a creative scientific intelligence , and compare it with the simple life of hard workers .
This is the "image" of the post-Soviet time, the myth of the " lousy intellectuals " were not the intellectuals in the Soviet Union " lousy " - no doctors , no teachers , no actors , no scientists , even some meneesy .

It is true , especially in the late Soviet period .
But there was an archetype in the unconscious , " the beggar and the crummy intellectual ," he may have formed in the 20-30 or even earlier.
Now , this archetype is changing in a positive direction, closer to the image of a businessman and biznesledi . I do not know what is the basis idea of ​​the intellectuals as a " rogue " in the description does not.

Posav 29.04.2012 17:20

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Сообщение от zarajara (Сообщение 2087241)
This is not true, I recently conducted a survey among young people: asked to describe "intellectual" and "an intellectual".
ALL (100 to 50%of men and women), described the man (male and female), the middle class, elegantly dressed, well-groomed, a business having a family and high social status.
So the image of the "intellectual crummy" circulated in the Soviet Union is gone.
When my article to be published (in months), I will place them in your diary will be able to see if I can take the time to send in a personal data.

What we are talking about different things. In a word, I put an educated sense of the Soviet intelligentsia, old regime, so to speak. Do you deny that many of them are now in the age of thieves and Rvachev, were not rogue by income level? I know many people in higher education, especially for 50 years, who are now unemployed for many years, especially among women there are many. I do not know how to Armenia. In Russia, the unemployment rate is smaller and not so tragic it looks. Although if they come to power, young reformers <! - ~ 7 ~ ->, remember dashing 90.
And the intellectuals is yes. Now we have a lot of intellectuals divorced, especially a lot of flashes in different TV entertainment show to the jury. But if he admits his intellectual vulgarity, it is not an intellectual. It's me again about the same TV show. An intellectual, in my concept, a moral category. An educated man, an intellectual can not be intellectual. Although he and "a suit sitting" and the salary is good. Yeah, well-groomed nails that were <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский 29.04.2012 18:06

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And think about the beauty nail ...[/COLOR][/I][/B] (a) :D

zarajara 29.04.2012 18:14

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 2087551)
. An intellectual, in my concept, a moral category. An educated man, an intellectual can not be intellectual. Although he and "a suit sitting" and the salary is good. Yeah, well-groomed nails that were <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

I often hear it, but if the intelligence of the moral category, then it is not at all to prove or disprove it is impossible, because it turns out that the people who make up the standard of living is not power, not an oligarchy, and the middle class - not moral. If we extend this logic to arrive at the absurd because it is not necessary.

When I speak of the intellectuals, I mean the same guy who makes a living mental labor, rather than a good and decent steelworker. I think most of it and understand it. Assume that the unemployed and the poor necessarily superior to the moral and personal qualities normally earn an intellectual, a kind of "snobbery in reverse."
And in the description of the image of the intellectual and an intellectual in an average 30%of respondents used the adjectives: kind, honest, responsible, "his /her all the love and respect." It is normal to describe a set of intellectual, is not it?
P.S. Well-groomed nails should be in all cases, it is not even discussed. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский 29.04.2012 18:30

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Сообщение от zarajara; 2087571"
consider that the unemployed and the poor necessarily superior to the moral and personal qualities normally earn an intellectual, a kind of " snobbery in reverse."

In Dostoevsky there are a lot of begging - poverty , he said, yes, not a vice but beggary - a vice, is unique.
He even has the time somewhere , that he a man who died from starvation would be dug up and strangled with their own hands again. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

artcol 29.04.2012 18:46

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Сообщение от zarajara (Сообщение 2087571)
When I speak of the intellectuals , I mean the same guy who makes a living mental labor , rather than a good and decent steelworker .

There is an aristocracy - nobility . And there are the intelligentsia - the commoners . This is a matter of fact . Is it possible to disassemble and aspects .

PS That is, People are good, but do not have a history of family - a family experience , just personal experience. Well, the cattle do live one day.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.04.2012 18:48

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran; 2087341 '
What's more - working their working day at the plant started with getting the alcohol out of glue BF with salt, water, and drills - have not seen this?

Clay Foundation (beef)


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"Bakelite, a phenolic glue." In common parlance - "Boris F. '. The traditional method of "cleaning": mix 200 g. glue, 300 gr. water, 10 gr. salt. The mixture was stirred for 5-10 min. In a production environment in the mixed solid drill capacity. At the same alcohol-based adhesive is removed, the solid formed elipsoidovidny "cake" of resin. The result is about 500 grams. Alcohol Containing dull-white drinks (about 30%alcohol) with a strong smell of glue. Use alcohol-based adhesive BF was widespread in the labor collectives in the enterprises.
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Boris Fedorovich.
 Undertook glue BF-2 and poured into a large pot, cover the usual salt, then use a drill or machine (Oh, Jess!) Into the bowl rotates the stick. The adhesive part of the wound on a stick and removed nafik, and alcohol was used for other purposes. Since this happened ambrosia go blind. And this procedure has been described even in the song works, namely a group of "Gaza»: «... or harassed on the BF bit, Or brew driven power luck» .

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Сообщение от artcol; 2087621"
And there are the intelligentsia - the commoners.

Rather, too, commoners.
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In daily use commoner called people who were educated, thanks to him were excluded from the tax-paying non-privileged class, in which there were previously, or could not belong to the taxpaying state, it does not consist in active service, as a rule, have the right to apply for them honorary citizenship, but have not issued it. For commoner in this sense refers come from the clergy, merchants, petty bourgeoisie, peasantry, petty officialdom. A significant proportion of the commoners were retired soldiers and soldiers' children.

Getting an education without the service to the state meant for commoners not only separation from the former social environment, but also the need to live on income from their personal activities, mainly on the mental labor. In this sense, the term "commoners" in the XIX century was used as a synonym for intelligence, because in this period there was rapid growth of a layer of educated people in general, a significant portion intellectuals were commoner, thus formed raznochinsky layer (raznochintsy intellectuals).

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Сообщение от artcol; 2087621 '
That is, People are good, but do not have a history of family - a family experience , just personal experience .

Milan, but who is it , in today's Russia , it has a history of the race?
Are you kidding ? His great-grandparents did not know , but a little earlier - at Scoop , often even of grandparents are not remembered , rewrote his biography in order to Solovki in the Gulag is not so pleasing as a class- alien element .
That's now starting some crumbs of the ancestors to gather and even then, I must say, invented for the most part , to the nobility of your trying to lean on .
And yet , one must remember that in Russia, the hereditary privileges were canceled the February Revolution of 1917 - all , there's no graphs, Duke and other Dukes died.

artcol 29.04.2012 19:10

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087631)
Rather, too , commoners .

Well, it does not matter . Throw the extra essence. For Czarist Russia is quite an assumption .

Educated commoner, earning a living is not physical (ie, mental ) labor. At the same time an intellectual , he might not be, and exist in a perfectly psevdointelektualnoy environment , as long as decency have been satisfied.

Intellectual - a purely Western notion, born on the same basis of Western rationalism and ethos " prometeevschiny " (though mb and we have precedents in Kievan Rus', perhaps) . They may be a commoner and an aristocrat .

That is, Intellectual ,=intelligent .
That is, immanent quality of personal and belonging to a certain layer.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087631)
And yet , one must remember that in Russia, the hereditary privileges were canceled the February Revolution of 1917 - all , there's no counts , dukes and other dukes was gone .

And yet I say to you about something else , my dear . Do not be so literally all perceive.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.04.2012 19:16

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2087671)
Well, it does not matter.

No, it is important and very.

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2087671)
Educated common people, earning a living is not physical (ie, mental) labor.

No, not "common people", as an educated citizen, extracting corn mental labor.

Commoners - the best people of Russia in the XIX century, I believe.

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2087671)
And yet I say to you about something else, my dear.

And about what?


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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2087671)
Do not be so literally all perceive.

What do you want?
I am your allusions, reminiscences and associations do not understand, they are yours.
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artcol 29.04.2012 19:28

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087691)
No, not " common people ", as an educated citizen , extracting corn mental labor.

Not the fact that the citizen . What about mental - too many nuances in quality and results - is a creative , there are management . What is mental ? This blabla ? May not understand <! - ~ 3 ~ ->

You are now in our work are doing mental or physical ? Or at all - enjoying yourself ? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087691)
Commoners - the best people of Russia in the XIX century , I believe .

For me, all good in their own way.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087691)
I am your allusions, reminiscences and associations do not understand , they are yours. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

I'm aware of <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
The magic words suggestion , then, behold - also works, all written in the subcortex .

Кирилл Сызранский 29.04.2012 19:34

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Сообщение от "artcol; 2087711 '
You are so difficult to do in our mental or physical?
Or at all - enjoying yourself?
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Communicate.
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artcol 29.04.2012 19:52

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087741)
I communicate.
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That's a teacher, too - talking <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский 29.04.2012 19:53

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2087761)
That's the teacher, too - talking <! - ~ 7 ~ ->


Teacher earns money.

artcol 29.04.2012 19:55

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2087771)
teacher earns money.

And maybe do it for free.


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