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NATA NOVA 30.08.2010 15:45

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Сообщение от Pluh (Сообщение 1251972)
Sorry, but you confuse the concept. Borrowing and fake. Is existing paintings executed by Picasso, but signed, such as Renoir, Dufy, or Gauguin, Rembrandt and Botticelli, and so on. Borrowing from the great artist, a very small part of the creative process. That if you want the knowledge and recognition of another master artist. And for that he bears full responsibility putting his signature on the product. Falsifiers, in most cases, still concerned about the commercial component and may in some cases increase their self-esteem - and so I can not. But this is deceptive triumph. After all, stolen everything - plot, technique, vision and chuvstvoa master and finally his name. He did not master, he is simply a coward, afraid to put their creativity to the audience, of course, if such he holds.
     

 

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Sorry, but you confuse the concept. Borrowing and fake.

DEAR Pluh,

I am interested in the difference vmotivah, not in terms


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Falsifiers, in most cases, still concerned about the commercial component and may in some cases increase their self-esteem - and I so I

Oh yes, and Picasso with Hearst concerned than were?

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This is not a fake.


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Well, yes that's right, your name must be manipulated ...
But nature still the same ... (face it no .. where one ends and another begins?)
Well, yes, and "money does not smell" and "winners are not judged" ...

Pluh 30.08.2010 16:30

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1252072)
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Sorry, but you confuse the concept. Borrowing and fake.

DEAR Pluh,

I am interested in the difference vmotivah, not in terms


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Message from Pluh
Falsifiers, in most cases, still concerned about the commercial component and may in some cases increase their self-esteem - and I so I

Oh yes, and Picasso with Hearst concerned than were?

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Message from Tiutchev
This is not a fake.


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Well, yes that's right, your name must be manipulated ...
But nature still the same ... (face it no .. where one ends and another begins?)
Well, yes, and "money does not smell" and "winners are not judged "...

What were concerned about data wizard, we could see only their own. But since you and HC. Mr. Tiutchev, you answered. This is not fake and in my view is not plagiarism. So this was a creative challenge. Money, in this case, had there place to be.

NATA NOVA 30.08.2010 16:58

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Сообщение от Pluh (Сообщение 1252242)
So this was a creative challenge.

What is "such"?
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Сообщение от Pluh (Сообщение 1252242)
Money, in this case, had there place to be.
     

You specifically, please?

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Сообщение от Pluh (Сообщение 1252242)
But since you and HC. Mr. Tjutchev, you answered.

Tiutchev answer is clearly, I am also interested in the motives ...

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Сообщение от Pluh (Сообщение 1252242)
What were concerned about data masters, could be learned only in themselves. But you after all and HC. Mr. Tiutchev, you answered. This is not fake and in my view is not plagiarism. So this was a creative challenge. Money, in this case, had there place to be.
     

And why bother "to answer, not responding" (What was the motive, again? "For what?)

 The meaning of this in what?

Тютчев 30.08.2010 17:42

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1252072)
I am interested in the difference vmotivah, not in terms

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Сообщение от Pluh (Сообщение 1251972)
Falsifiers, in most cases, still concerned about the commercial component and may in some cases increase their self-esteem - and so I can not. But this is deceptive triumph. After all, stolen everything - plot, technique, vision and chuvstvoa master and finally his name. He did not master, he is simply a coward, afraid to put their creativity to the viewer, of course, if such he holds.

The motives - this is important! In addition to the banal mercantile (this does not mean that the desire to earn money I see something lowland) of interest to create this "masterpiece" need something more ... Do not do without the additional (other) reasons. Maybe I'm wishful thinking, but very hard to believe that the great forgers hauling not only money, but were overwhelmed by passions, when creating their forgery. By the way the biography Meegerena can find facts, directly or indirectly supporting my hypothesis.

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 1101252)
In 1928 Van Meegeren and his friend found a picture in which they recognized the work of Van Khalsa. If it was established the authenticity of the portrait, he would bring them a fortune. Friends with great care and caution undertook the restoration of the painting. Then they showed her a well-known art critics and art historian Dr. Hofstede de Groot. He acknowledged the authenticity of the work and offered to find a buyer. Once the painting was sold, well-known critic Bredius declared that - fake. Van Vayngaarden was forced to return money to the buyer. He decided to play Brediusa. To whom he showed his own picture, married her to the creation of Rembrandt. The critic acknowledged the authenticity of the painting. Feasting Vayngaarden theatrical gesture cut fabric. Bredius, ridiculed and depressed, once again proved its incompetence in art history.

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 1101812)
According to legend, the painting was bought by the representatives of the old Dutch kind of living in Italy.
Several leading experts including the most authoritative expert on Vermeer Dr. Abraham Bredius (Dr. Abraham Bredius) unanimously attributed this picture early Vermeer.
Van Meegeren sold the painting through an intermediary - an old friend, a lawyer, Dr. James A. Bona (Dr. GA Boon) and a leading Dutch dealer's DA Hogendeyka (DA Hoogendijk) Dutch Rembrandt Society for the sum of 520,000 guilders (£ 1.8 million pounds) at the end of 1937. Then the painting was transferred to the museum of Rotterdam Boyman van Boyningena (Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen), which caused a real sensation.
The museum and today does not recognize the fact of forgery and considers this painting Vermeer (http://www.boijmans.nl/nl/)

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In Italy, the confiscated 500 fake paintings
Italian Carabinieri seized more than 500 fake paintings worth about seven million euros, according to La Repubblica. In particular, were seized counterfeits of Henri Matisse, Rene Magritte, Giorgio De Chirico, Renato Guttuso, Mario Siron, Umberto Boccioni, Mimmo Rotella, Franco Gentilini and others.
Paintings, drawings, graphics and chromolithograph were seized in the homes of owners who got them through Internet auctions, hoping to invest money. Experts noted the high quality fakes. The operation took place throughout Italy.

The investigation into the mass production of fakes started a half years ago, when the prosecutor's office in Rome, Siena and Palermo have jointly launched to track financial transactions for some popular sites, such as - on online auctions. As a result, 12 suspects have been identified in trading fake pictures, all of them arrested. The Court of Rome also decided to close the Internet auction that belonged to one of the detainees.

In addition to the fakes were seized and two ancient works: the image of St. John, formerly wrongly attributed to Guido Reni, as well as a stolen work Teofilo Patina, which sold for 600,000 euros.

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2010/08/25/counterfeit/


Figure Henri Matisse, exhibited for sale at online auction site. Screenshot from the site ebay.com:

Тютчев 30.08.2010 18:19

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In Italy, the confiscated 500 fake pictures

Italian Carabinieri seized more than 500 fake paintings worth about seven million euros, according to La Repubblica. In particular, were seized counterfeits of Henri Matisse, Rene Magritte, Giorgio De Chirico, Renato Guttuso, Mario Siron, Umberto Boccioni, Mimmo Rotella, Franco Gentilini and others.
Paintings, drawings, graphics and chromolithograph were seized in the homes of owners who got them through Internet auctions, hoping to invest money. Experts noted the high quality fakes. The operation took place throughout Italy.

The investigation into the mass production of counterfeit started six years ago, when the prosecutor's office in Rome, Palermo, Siena and together began to track cash transactions at some popular sites, in particular - on online auctions. As a result, 12 suspects have been identified in trading fake pictures, all of them arrested. The Court of Rome also decided to close the Internet auction that belonged to one of the detainees.

In addition to the fakes were seized and two ancient works: the image of St. John, formerly wrongly attributed to Guido Reni, as well as a stolen work Teofilo Patina, which sold for 600,000 euros.

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2010/08/25/counterfeit/


Figure Henri Matisse, exhibited for sale at online auction site. Screenshot from the site ebay.com:

Тютчев 05.01.2011 07:35

Han Antonius Van Meegeren
 
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"The Last Supper" /first version /(Vermeer)

Was found hidden between two sheets of plywood, only in 1949 by Dr. Koremanom (Dr. Coremans). Surprising that numerous police searches conducted in 1945-1947 years in a villa on the Cote d'Azur, the picture is not found. Most likely, this option, for whatever reasons, Meegerenu appeared unsuccessful, and he made a second, who sold the van Buningenu.

The Last Supper (1st version) 146 x 267 cm, oil on canvas, painted around 1938-39

Тютчев 21.08.2011 05:02

Han Antonius van Meegeren
 
, "Jesus among the Doctors " ( Vermeer )

The picture Han van Meegeren was doing when he was under investigation and under the supervision of the police - in order to prove his authorship of the previous forgery and take charge of collaboration and selling Nazi Dutch cultural values.

Jesus Among the Doctors 157 x 202 cm, oil on canvas, painted July - September 1945

Тихая Сапа 22.08.2011 11:03

This is perhaps the least successful of all

Кирилл Сызранский 22.08.2011 11:35

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Сообщение от Silent Sapa (Сообщение 1745763)
This is perhaps the least successful of all


And I do, "Vermeer" van Meegeren, except, perhaps, "Women read music", seem weak
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