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Vladimir 01.10.2008 22:09

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 67906)
Funny, perhaps, Hurst asked to draw at least a plaster head, painted by art school students in 5-6 grade. Poor?

Why? As a "test Dali, the artist should be able to draw a horse? I'm here, for example, LinkBacks sincerely, if Hirst knows how to draw a horse. Although almost sure can. And not be able - to buy the carcass and deceiving marker:) I'm here, for example, recently tried to handle the statement write (by hand) - tortured, unlearned. That's not to say that I do not know how to write?

Самвел 01.10.2008 22:30

AlexanderG read your letter, and decided to answer it. All of your arguments, again, the same swirling around the bush-profit \ promotion, interest, marketing.i.t.d. Occupation artist is fundamentally different from other professions, are completely different understanding about life and death. You are comparing a seller of professional ygurtami with the artist, this is a purely Western idea of the world. Here naprimer.Bush went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and wants to explain to them that \ If your wife went to the left, it's democracy, she is has the full right \, Western man will never understand that avganets does not want villas no supermarkets, no magdonaldsov, no Cadillac, he wants to catch fish in their river, and listen to the birds. account the fact that there you have all measured, and quietly, without fuss etc., I am more than confident that there is nothing more or less meaningful it will not happen, there can be talk about the past because the future is not there. In any case, even though I say that I'm sure I'm sure the same somnevayus.prosto we are talking nothing personal. Ask yourself why in the days of the USSR-flourishing culture, and examples of mass. Whether it's theater, cinema, zhivopis.i.t.d Why is there such artists as Filonov, Bakst, why not by producer as Paradjanov, or Tarkovsky, theatergoers as Stanislavsky, Meerhold, poets like Mandelstam and Brodsky. Wash Brodsky said .. \ Empire gave rise to culture and democracy paper. There were cultural people, but people of culture no longer exists.

LCR 01.10.2008 23:01

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 68156)
at the expense of what you have there all measured, and quietly, without fuss etc., I am more than confident that nothing more or less meaningful it does not happen, there can speak the past, because the future is not there. In any case, even though I say that I'm sure I'm sure the same somnevayus.prosto we are talking nothing personal. Ask yourself why in the days of the USSR-flourishing culture, and examples of mass. Whether it's theater, cinema, zhivopis.i.t.d Why is there such artists as Filonov, Bakst, why not by producer as Paradjanov, or Tarkovsky, theatergoers as Stanislavsky, Meerhold, poets like Mandelstam and Brodsky. Wash Brodsky said .. \ Empire gave rise to culture and democracy paper. There were cultural people, but people of culture are no more.

I can not agree with what you say. How much of one or M. Brodsky was abominable, the untalented waste paper, on one or Falk Shterenberg - tons of hideous scribble on one of Prokofiev and Shostakovich - millions Dunaevskii and Khrennikov?

The fact that democracy can not produce art - also, in my opinion, true.
Can you talk about Paradzhanov and Tarkovsky, but did not mention Visconti, Antonioni, Fellini, Truffaut and Godard (I do not like movies, but even I can see that it works now, a very high level).

Bakst - which, incidentally, to the Soviet Union had absolutely nothing to do - a wonderful artist, but Hopper, from my point of view, much more significant. Georgia O'Keefe also spent her life in his native America. I can not even speak of abstract expressionism, etc.

And in Europe, too, can not say that was a complete void. It is European art defined artistic image of the twentieth century, especially 1-st half of it: Chirico, Matisse, Bonnard, Rouault, de Stael, Marc, Dubuffet, Morandi (I only mention your favorite, or should be called and Picasso, and Dali, and Leger), Bacon, in the end, Hockney - but you in one sentence all that crosses?
Aphorism Brodsky, and indeed all the aphorisms (besides, of course, that I have just led to another story:)) beautiful and funny, but essentially wrong - like any simplification.

But no hard feelings, eh? : p

Евгений 02.10.2008 05:48

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 68156)
Occupation artist is fundamentally different from other professions, are completely different understanding about life and death.

Profession artist is not much different from other artists.
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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 68156)
why in the days of the USSR-flourishing culture,

In Soviet times, flourished "gulag" and in culture and in life generally, you will not forget.

Самвел 02.10.2008 11:58

LCR. Where did you get that I'm hurt, you thought that you spoke so that I will lift up your hands? Yes you are right just for me instead of Falk, turned Bakst, it happens. I had the current situation, rather than what it was 30 40 years ago. West is also changed. If you are not embarrassed that Philip Kirkorov folk artist, ie the artist of Russia, and Ramzan Kadyrov the Hero of Russia, well, what have continued in this the same spirit.

Евгений 02.10.2008 12:15

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Better to go to sea khinkali pokushat.Pravilno, Samvel?
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"If you fell in the Empire to be born,
It is better to live in a remote province
By the sea ... "
                          Brodsky

Vladimir 02.10.2008 12:50

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 68206)
I can not agree with what you say. How much for one or M. Brodsky was abominable, the untalented waste paper, on one or Shterenberg Falk - tons of hideous daub on one of Prokofiev and Shostakovich - millions Dunaevskii and Khrennikov?

Maybe Samvel has in mind that under the Soviet regime were successful projects which realizovavalis including through "hatchery culture" of production, various commissions, coordination and the fact that money so rude not dragging away. Remember the movies "The Little Red Riding Hood" with Basov and "Pinocchio." Can they be removed in a commercial film? I doubt it.

AlexanderG 02.10.2008 13:37

to Vladimir:

Konechno mozno! Glavnoe ustroit 'RASKRUTKU! Ha-ha-ha.

Bol'shinsto Gollivudskih produktsii znachitel'no ustupaiut po kachestvu Krasnoi Shapochke

Евгений 02.10.2008 13:41

AlexanderG, Sasha Russian alphabet as you can do something ..

Allena 02.10.2008 15:58

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 66536)
The worst thing to want to be better than you really are.

Samvel! Let me disagree with you! I do not want, once and for all okuklitsya in its cocoon - is it not a crime against yourself? His own hands, impoverish and rob our own lives? On this subject, with Eldar Ryazanov is a beautiful poem, try to find.

AlexanderG 02.10.2008 16:08

To Evgenii

Evgenii, vo pervyh ia ne znatok tehnologii i obschaius' kak mogu, vo vtoryh, esli vam nevmogotu eto chitat 'to ne nado, v tret'ih, ia ne iavliaius' tsenitelem prostoty chelovecheskih otnoshenii, tak chto izvol'te obraschat'sia ko mne Alexander, v krainem sluchae Doktor Grigoriev.

iosif 02.10.2008 16:34

AlexanderG,
interesting to talk with you, but difficult to read Russian text in English letters. Maybe admin will advise how to solve the problem?

LCR 02.10.2008 17:54

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 68516)
If you do not confuse that Philip Kirkorov folk artist, ie the artist of Russia, and Ramzan Kadyrov the Hero of Russia, well, what have I keep in takomzhe spirit.

Samvel, I do not know who this Kadyrov.
Name Kirkorov me says something, it's like a singer? For 30 years I live outside Russia, but before leaving, I never had a TV. No it from me, and now, as the quality of television programs around the world about the same.

I remember in the 70's he raged some Muslim Muhammad and Joseph Kobzon, and if you say that Kirkorov worse, I just can not believe you, because could not be worse:)

qwerty 02.10.2008 18:07

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 68916)
I remember in the 70-ies raged some Muslim Muhammad and Joseph Kobzon, and if you say that Kirkorov worse, I just do not believe you, because can not be worse than:)

Muslim Magomayev, and Joseph Kobzon compared with Kirkorov - just an amazing singer, I swear! You scared lucky that you have not seen and not heard. In Russia it is difficult to evade him.: Eek:

Кирилл Сызранский 02.10.2008 18:25

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 68916)

I remember in the 70's he raged some Muslim Muhammad and Joseph Kobzon, and if you say that Kirkorov worse, I just can not believe you, because could not be worse:)

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