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Кирилл Сызранский 15.04.2013 10:46

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Сообщение от Aka Petr (Сообщение 2556591)
in my view, interesting only in that Pimenov

Therefore and bought.

Author lot, I think, is the first (and most important), the condition of such purchases and the explanation of the amounts of care.

artcol 15.04.2013 14:41

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Сообщение от Manna (Сообщение 2556541)
What is this " international recognition" ? when:

You do not understand ... " international recognition" or "another foreign gallery " beautiful illiquid resets ...

Mann, is the highest bidder. I see no reason to re-evaluate demand Tkachev on the basis of this fact , most naobrot . Where not you come - anywhere they are asked .

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Сообщение от Manna (Сообщение 2556541)
I see you changed the signature .... I like :p> :)> <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

My main rule. Very helpful in life :D>

Кирилл Сызранский 15.04.2013 15:09

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Сообщение от artcol; 2557191"
here more pay .

No, do not get paid.
The most expensive thing for today The brothers sold it there:
their picture of the " In" 01.12.2010 sold in London at auction Macdougall for 58,813 GBP ( 91,872 USD), and the most expensive here - "boat" , was sold at the second attempt to start on Sovkome for 70 000 USD in the distant 2005.
By the way , the record " in the field" in 2004 at Sotheby's, e sold for 18,000 GBP ( 34,785 USD).
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Where not you come - anywhere they are asked .

Why do so many not sold at auction ?

of the 32 beautiful lot on the basis of the AI ​​is not sold 15 .

Maybe you , artcol, asking how a provincial dealer hoping to buy cheap? In such a case can ask many authors.

artcol 15.04.2013 15:58

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2557221)
No, I do not get paid.
The most expensive thing for today The brothers sold it there:
their picture of the " In" 01.12.2010 sold in London at auction Macdougall for 58,813 GBP ( 91,872 USD), and the most expensive here - "boat" , was sold at the second attempt to start on Sovkome for 70 000 USD in the distant 2005.
By the way , the record " in the field" in 2004 at Sotheby's, e sold for 18,000 GBP ( 34,785 USD).

Why do so many not sold at auction ?

On the basis of the AI ​​of 32 paintings sold 15 lots is not .

Maybe you , artcol, asked Tkachev brothers as the provincial dealer hoping to buy cheap? In such a case can ask many authors.

And these authors are still alive , who should be , can go straight to them.
 I, for example , Alexander Stazharau offered to meet them , they are neighbors , Moscow home - door to door .

All this is speculation , but in reality ... It would be simple - not asked to
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as the provincial dealer in hope
b themselves go - yes bought. Logical?

Кирилл Сызранский 15.04.2013 16:57

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2557221"
The most expensive thing for today The brothers sold it there:
their picture of the " In" 01.12.2010 sold in London at auction Macdougall for 58,813 GBP ( 91,872 USD),

For comparison a few nonconformists tops :
Kabakov - 5,839,781 USD;
Bulatov - 2,159,673 USD;
Komar /Melamid - 1,010,193 USD;
Krasnopevtsev - 957,542 USD;
Vasiliev - 949,650 USD;
Faibisovich - 633,790 USD;
Sitnikov - 625,085 USD;
Tselkov - 440,786 USD;
Schwartzman - 375,034 USD;
Weisberg - 363,314 USD;
Sveshnikov - 349,198 USD;
Rabin - 337,000 USD;
Infante - 266,316 USD;
Rukhin - 265 000 USD;
Brewers - 251,239 USD;
Nemukhin - 240 000 USD;
Purygin - 237,643 USD;
Steinberg - 224,424 USD;
Kharitonov - 217,663 USD;
Yankilevsky - 204,805 USD;
Chuikov - 195,606 USD;
Masterkova - 159,389 USD;
Plavinsky - 141,265 USD;
Turkish - 112,568 USD;
Roginsky - 112,000 USD;
Kosolapov - 98,310 USD.

You can still remember and far Moscow Sotheby's in 1988 , where " Fundamental Lexicon " Grisha Bruskin sold as I remember , with a little more than 400 thousand dollars, although all on the auction it sold 5 items for a total of the amount of $ 859.429 .

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2557241)
It would be simple - would not ask

A popontovatsya?
:D>

- You Malevich in mind there?
And what is there to ask ...

artcol 15.04.2013 17:16

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2557281)
For comparison tops few nonconformists :
Kabakov - 5,839,781 USD;
Bulatov - 2,159,673 USD;
Komar /Melamid - 1,010,193 USD;
Krasnopevtsev - 957,542 USD;
Vasiliev - 949,650 USD;
Faibisovich - 633,790 USD;
Sitnikov - 625,085 USD;
Tselkov - 440,786 USD;
Schwartzman - 375,034 USD;
Weisberg - 363,314 USD;
Sveshnikov - 349,198 USD;
Rabin - 337,000 USD;
Infante - 266,316 USD;
Rukhin - 265 000 USD;
Brewers - 251,239 USD;
Nemukhin - 240 000 USD;
Purygin - 237,643 USD;
Steinberg - 224,424 USD;
Kharitonov - 217,663 USD;
Yankilevsky - 204,805 USD;
Chuikov - 195,606 USD;
Masterkova - 159,389 USD;
Plavinsky - 141,265 USD;
Turkish - 112,568 USD;
Roginsky - 112,000 USD;
Kosolapov - 98,310 USD.

Nice top.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2557281)
A popontovatsya ?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2557281)
Yes, and live these authors , who should be , can go straight to them .

in contrast to the
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2557281)
Malevich


K-Maler 15.04.2013 23:38

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Сообщение от artcol; 2557371"
top good .

Do these prices the same or similar in terms of the cost of the same authors , sold for any reason at these sites , and, say , the Drouot ?
I know of an example where at Drouot auction did not take place because the owner wanted Rukhin ( after watching these tops) a very high price , and the Commissioner - winner did not agree ... Somewhat later there Rukhin sold for incomparably low (counter specified in the top ) , the spread was 30 60t.d .
And while you can focus investments on the price levels of these houses ( Christie's , Sotheby's )?

artcol 15.04.2013 23:50

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 2558341)
Do these prices the same or similar in terms of the cost of the same authors , sold for any reason at these sites , and, say , the Drouot ?
I know of an example where at Drouot auction did not take place because the owner wanted Rukhin ( after watching these tops) a very high price , and the Commissioner - winner did not agree ... Somewhat later there Rukhin sold for incomparably low (counter specified in the top ) , the spread was 30 60t.d .
And while you can focus investments on the price levels of these houses ( Christie's , Sotheby's )?

I think most (or so - a significant part ) of these records - in general, or artificial or made at the peak of interest in the "on" Potential growth of interest in it , I do not see - ban lifted, the novelty is gone, format - " spetsfichesky " (for example , the situation is the resale of contemporary art seems a little absurd to me .) Although some authors , I think will continue to be sold in the secondary market and, accordingly , but to grow in value . But try to sell now Rukhin. Or Infante.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.04.2013 00:36

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Сообщение от artcol; 2558361"
But try to sell now Rukhin .

Already this year, two of Rukhin exhibited and sold.
In that year, exhibited 10 works by this artist and nearest sold only three , I think.
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Сообщение от artcol; 2558361"
Or Infante.

In 2012, the five works exhibited Infante, not sold two , but in November of that year at Sothebys was a good sale of his The Vacuum Clock for 98 110 USD.

Sometimes it's better to chew than talk ! ( a ) :D>

artcol 16.04.2013 00:49

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2558501)
Already this year, two of Rukhin exhibited and sold.
In that year, exhibited 10 works by this artist and nearest sold only three , I think.

In 2012, the five works exhibited Infante, not sold two , but in November of that year at Sothebys was a good sale of his The Vacuum Clock for 98 110 USD.

Sometimes it's better to chew than talk ! ( a ) :D>

Well, sold - and thank God. Expensive?

Кирилл Сызранский 16.04.2013 01:01

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2558521)
Expensive?

Read my soobschnie closely, I was there but the price of care (with bp) and one lot, by the way, is more expensive than the most expensive auction sale br.
Tkachev (91,872 USD).
:D>

artcol 16.04.2013 01:09

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2558531)
Read my post carefully, I was there but the price of care (with bp) and one lot, by the way, is more expensive than the most expensive auction sale br.
Tkachev (91,872 USD).
:D>

About Rukhin interesting.
There's still 10 sales, while Infante 2.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.04.2013 01:31

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2558541)
About Rukhin interesting.
There's still 10 sales, while Infante 2.

Well, so do not be lazy, go to any database, look at the statistics Rukhin here tell about it, share your information:

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2558511)
Forum, yet I share knowledge and information.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2557281"
You can still remember and far Moscow Sotheby's in 1988 , where " Fundamental Lexicon " Grisha Bruskin sold as I remember , with a little more than 400 thousand dollars

to clarify - for over 412,828 USD.

And Moscow's record, by the way, was broken only in 2000 , when Christie's his job " topology , Part 1" was sold for 424,000 USD.
So she snippet:

Кирилл Сызранский 16.04.2013 02:24

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2557281"
You can still remember and far Moscow Sotheby's in 1988 , where " Fundamental Lexicon " Grisha Bruskin sold as I remember , with a little more than 400 thousand dollars

to clarify - for over 412,828 USD.

And Moscow's record, by the way, was broken only in 2000 , when Christie's his job " topology , Part 1" was sold for 424,000 USD.
So she snippet:

Кирилл Сызранский 16.04.2013 02:30

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And yet on the famous Moscow auction in 1988.

Ilya Kabakov's album "Where are they?" (1974-78), sold it for some 22 517 USD (the lot, of course, did not enter the charts, sold and forgotten :)>), in May 2006, was sold by auction Sothebys, e vesomye471 already for 111 USD, while putting a new record price Kabakov.

So much albomchik.
:)>


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