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Кирилл Сызранский 05.06.2010 22:58

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 1137232)
prices related to the quality

Write to the slogan on a red cloth and the story in his studio.
It will be good: prices associated with the quality! :D

таша 06.06.2010 04:37

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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1132392)
The same, but shorter: critic - the artist's alter ego.

If we consider from this standpoint, the critic is not the alter ego of the artist, but rather, his psychoanalyst. The artist is not always possible to determine from which sprouts his work, from what depths of the subconscious come up certain motifs, colors, even the size of the work can speak for itself. But by analyzing the artist's personality, a good critic is really holding his head in the history of art, from rock paintings to the present day. And finds the cultural roots, influence, etc. At the same time comparing the degree of novelty and cultural trail in the artist with the scale of his personality, the critic really can make fairly accurate predictions about the place of the creator in the history of art.
As to "tell the artist: This is hardly a real direct, but indirectly, through aid in the understanding of ourselves that is possible.
I think all I had written, is more related to art historians. But critics are looking for an artist not a place in art history, and among the artists of contemporary and modern art trends.

Pavel 06.06.2010 13:06

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1137592)
Here, this slogan on a red cloth and the story in his studio.
It will be good: prices associated with the quality! :D

Do dealers and speculators contrary. especially when, as do not understand. But under another fraud, etc. We also criticism actually. This does not concern you.

Кирилл Сызранский 06.06.2010 13:52

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 1137972)
It does not concern you.

Yes? Well, tell me ... :D

Pavel 06.06.2010 17:03

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1138022)
Yes? Well, tell me ... :D

This inscription I have seen a Picasso and Matisse.
That you say, but I have another profession.

Art-lover 06.06.2010 20:40

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Сообщение от Tasha (Сообщение 1137862)
If we consider from this standpoint, the critic is not the alter ego of the artist, but rather, his psychoanalyst. The artist is not always possible to determine from which sprouts his work, from what depths of the subconscious come up certain motifs, colors, even the size of the work can speak for itself.

And soon, a good critic - fantasy artist.) After all the properties of the critic, the kind Sokurov, cause idiosyncrasy in Pavel'a. And vice versa.
And so the critic who just should not be, because it is a psychoanalyst: artists - such loonies who analyzes depths of the subconscious is not shown. For he commanded: "Love your syndrome".))
Psihokritik uncover the depth where the roots of drag artist - and all that'll be done. The roots will shrink, the audience will pozezvyvat and ozdorovevshy mentally bankrupt artist.)
So, if the "alter ego" of the criticism had not worked better for him to go to iskusstvovody. Or, at worst, in the art. )

NATA NOVA 06.06.2010 20:45

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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1138262)
ozdorovevshy mentally artist bankrupt.)

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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1138262)
"You shall love your syndrome".))

Hint understood: if the artist (Tze) no mental abnormalities, their (urgent) need to invent (and you will be happy with a capital "schA"!)

Самвел 07.06.2010 00:52

Give my considerations. A critic is a man who can not criticize. As an artist who can not pisat.U critic has his own ideas about the criticized material, his personal vision of how it should look like, or slyshatsya.Horoshy critic, may very well reveal the material submitted, and take the place of the artist that even the actor will not be very jerky, for as will be clearly marked with blunders. So that criticism should be that-would eliminate materials that are not worthy of criticism. And most importantly, I think, as the artist is never satisfied with his creation, and the critic can not put a full stop, an infinite art. This is what occurred.

таша 07.06.2010 11:03

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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1138262)
And so the critic who just should not be, because it is a psychoanalyst: artists - such loonies who analyzes depths of the subconscious is not shown. For he commanded: "Love your syndrome".))
Psihokritik uncover the depth where the roots of drag artist - and all the damned. The roots will shrink, the audience will pozezvyvat and ozdorovevshy mentally bankrupt artist.)

I have little faith that psychoanalysis can improve someone everything else, including artists. The depths of the unconscious is inexhaustible, syndromes fruitful and multiply to infinity, so that the artist do not worry, the creative bankruptcy of his safe. :)
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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 1138532)
A good critic, may very well reveal the material submitted, and put in place the artist, that even the actor would not be very jerky, in so many obviously be marked blunders. So that criticism should be that-would eliminate materials that are not worthy of criticism.

I speak for myself: No criticism, exposing lapses can not change my creativity, my mistakes, I see myself always, and if you do not see, no one can convince me that they are. If a person is "equal to me or my superior intellect, knowledge, experience chustvennym show me: have you got growing out of some of the archetypes, and then, from the banal sense, inherent to every woman, and not just an artist, and a third-inspired cartoons and other mass-culture, etc., such a critic has a chance to influence me as an artist, through the analysis (psychoanalysis :D)
But
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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1138262)
And still more, a good critic - the fantasy of the artist.) After all the properties of the critic, the kind Sokurov, cause idiosyncrasy in Pavel'a. And vice versa.

I agree, and say about the criticism from the position himself. You can poke my nose like: "critics do not write for artists, but my fantasy is such a critic as I described, and it was such a critic might have influenced me. Of course for art managers and dealers need another critic, and for collectors even some third appearance. Let's have all sorts of criticism, I'm a plurality :D
By the way, dealers and collectors would write how they see the critic (critic-ideal dealer so to speak). Or maybe he did not want them?

NATA NOVA 07.06.2010 12:22

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Сообщение от Tasha (Сообщение 1138702)
I have little faith that psychoanalysis can improve someone everything else, including artists. The depths of the unconscious is inexhaustible, syndromes fruitful and multiply to infinity, so that the artist does not worry, the creative bankruptcy does not threaten him.

Natasha, some artists (as well as some "Other People"), that's just working on the "purity of the subconscious ... By your logic, the purer the subconscious, the lower the level of creativity?


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