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Кирилл Сызранский 05.12.2009 20:59

Seriy, it seems, you become a consultant on the topic How to unleash the artist. ;)
That's good, because the theme of something important: 579 posts and 38 777 views!

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Сообщение от Marta (Сообщение 765292)
I just wanted to clarify the issue at auction. And also with Moscow.

In Moscow on 3 and a half of the auction. In Moscow should not expect:
Moscow beats with toe (c) and does not believe in tears (c).

Seriy 05.12.2009 21:05

Cyril Syzransky, Oh, yes .. the previous ward unwound all the rules .. scandal ...:-) already sponsors outlining :-)
and if at all seriously, Martha primarily need an art consultant, but whether there are in nature? She has everything, but need someone to advise about the compositions on the themes of movement in the picture .. fl subtle thing, but the effect could be very significant .. is what I feel.

05.12.2009 21:15

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 765322)
Seriy, it seems, you become a consultant on the topic How to unleash the artist. ;)
That's good, because the theme of something important: 579 posts and 38 777 views!

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In Moscow on 3 and a half of the auction. In Moscow should not expect:
Moscow beats with toe (c) and does not believe in tears(a).

As for Moscow understood. Taken at their word. Although, in fact, to try, you can probably - almost no risk. Regarding the "scapegoat", it is my deep conviction that if an artist lasted ten years in free flight, by which time he learns to keep the strike.

ART investor 05.12.2009 22:10

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Сообщение от L-ana64110 (Сообщение 766)
... methods of promotion at all different, and few people want to share the accumulated work ...

Just second-rate specialist fear competitors might think so.

An honest and genuine painter nothing to hide.

Secret ArtPpriemy - a sign of weakness, as well as proof that this ArtPartizan aware of its own futility.

LCR 05.12.2009 23:09

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 765352)
and if at all seriously, Martha primarily need an art consultant, but whether there are in nature? She has everything, but need someone to advise about the compositions on the themes of movement in the picture .. fl subtle thing, but the effect could be very significant .. is what I feel.

March, an auction of clarity, forget about them.

Such consultants, imagine there. We raise for you a story that I translated for a year ago, and which is called "He refuses to adapt to the market." Very, I think, instructive.

However, I think that Marty a consultant to anything, and indeed, on the one hand, the consultant who is capable to indicate the artist "on the tracks, on the themes of movement in the painting" very easy to paint, but on the other hand, can be called an artist person who needs to specify all of the above?
This time.

Now about the other. I was surprised to notice a certain part of the fixation of artists attending the forum, auctions (OK Pavlik, but he's not one :)).
There is a lot of talk about this, but I repeat again: auction houses, by definition engaged in the secondary market. This means that in order to sell their work at auction, the artist must have formed quotation and relatively stable prices.
This is understandable: how to determine a preliminary assessment and reserve, if not unprecedented, or very little? Like every commercial structure, auction houses are interested first and foremost the amount sold, so they do not take the risk to put artists, perhaps, with the potential, but not yet confirmed.

Seriy 05.12.2009 23:46

LCR, you somehow quickly eased. Martha does not need a teacher evaluation and professional in her work, I gave above.
Well, that's the difference between the work of Martha and works by Natalia Nesterova?
In addition to the price?
This type of order, there is a great robe, but that he became a coveted designer decides what to him to sew on buttons. A tailor all the same-good.
I think, of course, such people with such considerations, somewhere there, but they are unlikely to give advice.

05.12.2009 23:46

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 765962)
Such consultants, imagine there. We raise for you a story that I translated for a year ago, and which is called "He refuses to adapt to the market." Very, I think, instructive.

Please raise your specified plot. Very curious about what they mean.

With regard to consultants. Twice had to deal with instructions on how and what to write (after the agreement to cooperate). Straight from the samples :( One even made a brief attempt to partially follow the recommendations of the sporting interest and the assumption that I could something in this life misunderstood. Some useful experience gained in technology, but the guidelines are not taken root. I regret on this occasion did not arise. But the question was of a purely commercial reception - with a view to successful sales. It was clear from the outset.

 But in general, if there is someone to discuss your creative (not part of sales) problems and issues - this, in my opinion, no one interferes. Because sometimes the artist be some limitations, especially with time, and such advice can give a new impetus. How shower. This does not mean that everything is taken for granted, but thinking about can refresh perceptions.
On the other hand, may help to break the stupor, get rid of an attack of self-criticism.
However, all this particular. I would like to know more (for the overall development :)) any such consultants exist in nature.

LCR 06.12.2009 00:07

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 766242)
LCR
Well, that's the difference between the work of Martha and works by Natalia Nesterova?
In addition to the price?
This type of order, there is a great robe, but that he has coveted designer decides - what for him to sew on buttons. A tailor all the same-good.
I think, of course, such people with such considerations, somewhere there, but they are unlikely to give advice.

I will not discuss the difference between Martha and Natasha from an aesthetic point of view.
And if ignored, will have to admit that it is a little matter of luck. Natasha was lucky: she was born in Moscow, where more opportunities, she found his circle of admirers, finally, a decent and quite clever dealer in H-J really loves her work and promoted it for many years now - publishes, exhibits. Incidentally, it was the initiator of the appearance of her works at the auction Phillips de Pury, that is, organizing its primary market, he started secondary.

Concerning the designer to decide what buttons to sew on a dressing gown, I remember a famous artist now, quite honestly shocked by the works of Roginsky, gave him advice - advice is in terms of how to do the work sold (that he can do very well).
"The old man, - he said - it's just brilliant. But here - and he showed his hand - it is necessary, you know, stick ...".

I looked at the absent expression Roginsky, who nodded his head and thought about something else, and I was terribly funny and a little sorry for wasted energy of our friendly friend ...

AlexanderG 06.12.2009 02:32

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 765352)
Cyril Syzransky, Oh, yes .. the previous ward unwound all the rules .. scandal ...:-) already sponsors outlining :-)
and if at all seriously, Martha primarily need an art consultant, but whether there are in nature?

Eto vy menia obidet 'hotite ili prosto ne zametili ????:cool:

March, an auction of clarity, forget about them.

Ni v koem sluchae! Zabyvat 'ob auktsionah serioznomu hudozniku nikak nel'zia.

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Сообщение от Marta (Сообщение 765292)
in front of the author. :) That's why I do not understand when they say that "sales techniques" - is almost a military secret.

Tainy nikakoi net! Daze na etom forume est 'dostatochno informatsii. Problema v sistematicheskom podhode. Ochen 'nemnogie mogut ego sobliudat'. Osiuda i rezul'tat.

Surely, after all only Europe have somehow feed? Here too, the sea dashes. In an ideal - closer to home. But until something bad turns. Minsk in general all costs, especially with the crisis.

Vot i ia uze mnogo raz sprashival: budem razvivat 'mestnyi rynok ?:)

Вивьен 06.12.2009 03:29

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Сообщение от Marta (Сообщение 766252)
With regard to consultants. Twice had to deal with instructions on how and what to write (after the agreement to cooperate). Straight from the samples once even made a brief attempt to partially follow the recommendations of the sporting interest and the assumption that I could something in this life misunderstood.

My opinion: the artist must do and not be distracted, and it moves to deal with a professional (decent). And then everything will be fine.


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