"methods" - name day practitioner, mentor Cyril.
In people, this image of his older brother.
Still, the metaphor.
The word "Methodist" from the word "method" from al-Greek..
μέθοδος - way of investigation or knowledge of μετά - " between, after, through " + ὁδός - "path".
Магнолия
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Cyril Methodius was a mentor, even though he was the younger brother.
Who approved it?
After a millennium ...!
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Read "is the letter of te ...."
She found an interesting site with the section "metalinguistics human speech"
A lot of explanation is in an essay in my diary. Insights concerning slavicist L.V.Savelevoy stand here.
R. S.
Sunbeam made his way into the narrow crack between the wall and a curtain and went on his desk from single sheets with some text to the pile, prepared for binding. At nearly seven hours. One could go back to sleep, but the memory helpfully start unwinding the thread of yesterday's events. Leaflets with the text - is a photocopy of the article "The sacred meaning of the Slavic alphabet" L.V.Savelevoy, and a pile of cooked Binding - is printed on the printer three-volume manuscript of my many years of work, "Evolution and the Right."
And it was so. Recently, the contents of all three volumes I told the friend. For a quarter century of work on the book comprehended and explained a lot of colored stones philosophical puzzle, but you can see the most vivid to her puzzle was on the coding elements of the natural principles of letters. A few days later she informed me of the existence of that paper L.V.Savelevoy about the hidden meaning of letters of the alphabet.
- Hello! This monograph or article? How did you find her? - I asked with genuine envy that someone, not me, had to learn about working on such an intriguing topic.
- Type in the search box Internet "Lydia V. Saveliev", then perhaps you will find something else interesnenkoe.
- Thank you. Be sure to use it.
On the same day, I ran to the NRB. This is a new acronym our "publichki." The Russian National Library. The new building on Moscow Avenue at Victory Park is worthy of all praise. The present temple of culture.
I have found the right job relatively quickly. It turned out that this is not a very big magazine article. In addition, NRB provides the opportunity to visit on the Internet. From there, I learned that L.V.Saveleva hereditary philologist, Slavic Studies, Professor of History and Philology of the Karelian State Pedagogical University. In 1993, the first International Conference "The Gospel text in Russian literature," she reported that "for the first time deciphered interpreted Slavic alphabetical list of names as the first full poetic text written by Constantine the Philosopher in the genre of a short sermon to the neophytes in the traditions of the Byzantine molitvoslovnogo verse . " Various aspects of this theme explored in her later works. I was very happy to learn that our ground-breaking time at least someone sounded the alarm about the problem of violation of the natural harmony of the language of descendants of Slavs.
With photocopy of the article, I hurried home to, slowly, on the one hand, to enjoy with one mind, and on the other, to swallow the bitter pill that the golden key to the mystery of the alphabet fortune invested in other hands. However, after reading the article, I was surprised and delighted I saw that we were digging the story in different places, in different ways and at different depths. Now we have to understand and compare who found it. Care for the early-bound manuscript will have to wait to complete and finish the third volume of clarifying the situation.
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Morning cup of coffee. The room is flooded with sunlight. Pencils are waiting for dance performance on paper. Mentally speaking to a specialist on the history of Russian literary language: "Dear Lidia! We have different content of brains, but that should not prevent us to reach out to the historical truth. In addition, any discussion is not shameful clarify understanding of the terms talker, especially if it is an unusual insight, or rather not common.
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For example, the definition of "ascetic" I take it as a "questioning and willing to believe," as the word-concept consists of three phonemes: ask - ask f - a sign of existence (is) t - the letter code of the principle of "Faith." Austerity is not necessarily accompanied by a disregard for the facilities stomach and body. Just ascetics so passionate about the spiritual food that the term "austerity" has migrated to the visible circumstances of cognitive personality. Even funnier is my perception of the word "arithmetic". In my opinion it determines any originality, that is nerifmuemost. Number - the most obvious case. Two did not have any three or four or five or ten ... But green is neither red nor yellow or black ... The colors and shades are arithmetic. Arithmeticality, and much more, including letters and notes, but people are used to apply the concept of "arithmetic" only to the numbers. "
My mental appeal to the Honored Scientist of Russia and Karelia interrupted by a phone call.
- How is it? - Interested in my dear entsiklopedistka. - Detect Savelyev sacred meaning of the alphabet? Ahead of you?
- I will answer only what I found her article in the 9th issue of the "North" in 1993. Read. You want to hear my opinion?
- I want!
- Saveliev only touched the mystery of the alphabet, but the alphabet. She sensed that Constantine the Philosopher (he's a monk Cyril) gave the names of the letters to hint at their importance, but the centuries-old tradition of hermeneutics could not reveal the sacred holistic knowledge.
- And you can! I give permission! - Joked the male voice and added seriously - now other times, other tasks.
- Who have you got there?
- Our mutual friend. Do not you recognize me?
Mitya always patiently listened to my speech impediment providence and conjecture, was a student of individual literary passages. His reaction was helping me not to stand out from the track consistently understood the text. "I believe that despite the enormous amount of secondary literature written" e_van_gelie "- joking and putting" my "in the sense of the letter" e ", he outlined the genre work" Evolution and the Law "- Helios lights in the living and greetings to you departed thinkers and get a single picture "
-You told Mitya of the Savelevoj?
- Yes. He believes that you should respond.
- I have already configured to compare our approach to the secret of the alphabet by writing a short essay entitled «P. S. ». Get some sort literary point.
- Good luck. Do it!
Phone metronome beeps started the countdown and pencil cheerfully brought well-known letter «P. S. ».
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A comparison of the first.
The article "The sacred meaning of the Slavic alphabet" begins with a reminder of the "two graphics systems, written by two alphabets: Cyrillic and Glagolitic alphabet." Study sources embodiments, features, etc., etc. But they belong to the notion of "system" went unheeded. Use the word "system", the author flew past its meaning, not noticing it contains phonemes s_ist_tema, that is subject to the Truth. "Truth does not suffer from the fact that nobody wants to admit. - Recorded by the famous Russian philosopher AFLosev in the preface to" Sketches of ancient symbolism and mythology. "- Contrary to the truth (as well as for not accepting it) it's only logical. you can do without the truth, and the truth is probably much do without you "Truth theme - is primarily a law relationships elements. Identified or not identified, it is based on the knowledge base claiming the discovery. But someday someone will s_ist_tema. When and to whom?
The premise is opening accumulation of data characterizing the properties and relationships of elements, and the concentration of this information in one place. In modern times, the most striking example was the discovery of periodicity of the properties of chemical elements. Because of the miracle at the chemists dealing with a huge number of properties of different substances, aggravated flair for systematic. I, the author of "The Evolution of Rights", was such a "sensitive chemist." The words "Daughter /Night" or "Marriage /Gloom" I watched as the molecules of substances whose properties are different because they contain different elements of D and H, B and M. For me the letters of the alphabet - the unknown elements of the system.
Concepts can be identified in many ways - sound, pattern, movement (gestures, facial expressions) ... For people with the most convenient way to communicate was the preparation of molecules of the elements-words-letters. All information is taken from the set of fundamental properties of the system of world order, called al_fa_vitom. Natural principles - the elements of the system, and the letters - codes of natural principles.
To identify the nature of the system-alphabet terminology 'letter as a graphic sign, "stemming from the context of the second paragraph of Article L.V.Savelevoy looks somewhat unfortunate, since the letter - is primarily a code of a set of shades properties inherent to the system, and then some -either sign or sound views.
A comparison of the second.
The third paragraph of the article is devoted to the historical merits of Constantine-Cyril: the selection of sound types Slavic phonological system, the creation of graphical symbols, the invention of the syllabic principle of Slavic writing, translation of religious works from Greek into Slavic, the development of norms of the first Slavic literary language. Looking at this list of trusting the reader might think that the missionaries to the Slavs Cyril were a flock without sounding own culture of literary communication, no legends, no fairy tales, no song and dance ... Allow me to doubt. And here is the phrase for the admission of the Slavs to Christianity, supposedly Cyril thought to be his destination, deserves special attention.
In his work "The Evolution of Rights" shows that Christianity is a particular style of thinking of the people who found themselves in a critical situation. This conclusion is easily visible from the book I.S.Sventsitskoy "Early Christianity: the pages of history." During the crisis, strictly logical thinking is not effectively because of too rapid change of events. Then, the body switches on instinct, your intuition, which is accompanied by worsening sensations shades properties of natural principles. Is expanded and alpha range. It is this "critical" component of the life of Slavs noticed Constantine the Philosopher, and added to the relatively well-established system of "European" alphabet additional meanings encoded final letters of the alphabet. Judging by the composition of the alphabet and the location of additional letters, one can assume that Cyril was part of a cohort of Initiates highly concerned with educational activities. It is not as accustomed Slavs to Christianity, has revealed how their Christian spirit, and this is reflected in the Slavic system of perception principles of world order. Implantation of the Cyrillic alphabet in the written language of the Slavs argues that Cyril and his brother Methodius passionately writes L.V.Saveleva, defended his position "in a brave fight against the orthodox doctrine of" treyazychnikov "who recognized the divine liturgy only in Hebrew, Greek and Latin" , who used a strictly rational matrix, without the intuitive part of the alphabet.
Coexistence of the first turns of the alphabet (a reasonable idea of the development of life on the planet) with the wrap intuition explained L.V.Savelevoy underlined the difference in the character name initial and final letters of the alphabet. Comparing data sources, she writes: "1) the steady sequence of letters reveal that make up the first two-thirds of the alphabet - the ones that have a clear homonyms in Old Church Slavonic and Old Russian, that is, which are meaningful content words, the name (to" chrv "inclusive ), and 2) the variability characterizes the letter alphabetical order, the names of which are not related to the concepts of language and serve only the symbols of letters: "ot", "ball", "shta", "er", "ery", "Eph" " ive, "" YOUTH "," xi "," psi "," fit ". //This fact alone suggests: Do not bound to observe precisely the alphabetical order of the encoded message, which in the early centuries of Slavic written language yet be aware of the scribes? "Very shrewd guess. Otherwise, it could not be, since "intuitive" letters "H" and then - the result of philosophical understanding of the Christian reality, comparing with the traditional speech development.
Comparison of the third
L.V.Saveleva absolutely right, noting that "invented by Cyril letters 'names' <...> deserve respect and attention of the research - as a unique opportunity for us to hear the voice of the century through the first teacher of the Slavs." It is very important to hear even more important to understand. The fact is that in the words involved only audio and graphical form letters, and the most valuable, disguised, information contain their names. To the essence of that information remains in people's memory, scholars were forced to memorize the names of characters: az, beeches, lead, verbs, well ... Yes, they comforted what letter which gives meaning to the word. Say thank you for K.Kalaydovichu vivid example povzaimstvovanny L.V.Savelevoy: Dog pokoem write (P), not psyami (Ψ), some communication with the dog psalm? It is believed that the purpose of assigning letters of the name was either hidden or forgotten. This is not entirely true. Most likely, the information about the alphabet, the alphabet and the names of the letters was available, but only able to accept overseas philosophical doctrine.
Online reports that L.V.Saveleva "first decrypted and interpreted Slavic alphabetical list of names." Is this true? Not focusing on the concept of "alphabetic system," if she did not miss something in the decipherment of the most important, allowing to explain the names of the letters correctly? If the purpose of giving one letter of the name, why it has to share the names of the letters on the meaningful content words, the name (to "chrv 'inclusive) and names that are not related to the concepts that" are only in the language of symbols of letters? " The answer lies in her own rhetorical question about the reason for closer adherence to alphabetical order, but remains undetected. Thus more than appropriate L.V.Savelevoy following comment: "If we consider that in the Middle Ages the main goal of human knowledge, including science and art, was disclosing the symbolic relationship of the visible world (material) and the unseen (spiritual) , the secret sacred meaning of letter designations are unlikely to be challenged. "
In his work "The Evolution of Rights", thanks to the disclosure of a number of symbols of legends and myths, meanings, symbols of letters, that is, letter names, very firmly associated with the natural principles of world order, meaningful ancestors. Each principle is encoded not repeating any letter. Principles and letters are arithmetic.
For some, the most important principles of natural property can be summed up in one word well understood. It is that used as a meaningful full-meaning name-letter code of the principle. For example, the principle of "doing" is coded with the letter "D". The most valuable feature of this principle - good. "Good" and was smysloimenem the letter "D". The saying "Do unto worthy Saturdays good tvoriti, whether zlo stvoriti" L.V.Savelevoy cited as an example that reveals the meaning of the word "good", offers a person to think good or evil will result in "making" on Saturday, when the religious tradition of the Jews must necessary to pay attention to himself, to his dwelling and rest. And Saturday's Russian baths the same historical roots. Another very interesting example. There is a principle of natural selection /election of the total number, of the total weight of the monotonous background ... It is coded with the letter "L". As lucidly tell about it all? Found another way. The land has given birth to a multitude of living beings. They are all more or less intelligent: move, eat, sleep, protect yourself, multiply ... From the nature of this set of people identified by awarding their consciousness and articulate speech. So the word "people" has become the representative of the principle of "Election" by the name of the letter "L", the code of this principle, called "People". The article is indicative L.V.Savelevoy explanation: "People - children of men." Brow in the old days was called the furnace oven (absorber fuel) and forehead (absorber information). The sons of men evolutionarily developed consciousness - they are human beings. These two examples of ways to select names for characters that characterize encoded principles have not been exhausted. So the principle of "Self", typified by the cat that walks by itself, is encoded by the letter, a named "Xi" - everyday sounds when communicating with pussy. By analogy, in the principle of "Education", symbolized by the ability to train of dog, has become a code letter Ψ-«Psi." Therefore, the word "crazy", "psychology" and the like should be writing, taking advantage of this particular letter.
Figure. "Psychology"
All Cyrillic alphabet book with his letter-codes natural principles discussed in the second volume of work "Evolution and the Right." However, because of the emphasis on author name to the first letter of the alphabet here, comparing the results of deciphering letter names, add one more original way of informing the letter and the name of the show is fundamentally different interpretation of the name "Az". The letter "A" ancient wisdom coded as if the initial principle of the universe - the principle of "Observation". In Hebrew, Greek and Latin name of the letter "A" is pronounced in different ways - "Aleph", "Alpha" - and is understood to All (Al) Lights (F) space covering the earth as the Great Inevitable observer. But the Earth is populated by big-eyed creatures, has a powerful ability to look at the Observer. Therefore, the principle called "the power of" and is coded with the letter "Z". These two principles are the first and the seventh rank of the matrix of evolution are a couple of object <=> Subject. Now, mutual supervision, received the term "introspection", and the effect of his presence under scrutiny because it is believed that this is the basis of consciousness. We do not know what thoughts were swarming in my head of Constantine the Philosopher, but apparently he just paired two codes "A" and "Z". It turned Slavic name started early - AZ.
ill. "The principle of" Observation "
The Jewish religion is still honoring this great principle, and he devotes seven feast of lights "Hanukkah", during which the lights are lit menorah, which can only watch. Probably, Cyril repeatedly used in this way - to synthesize the name of the letter of the codes of the principles involved in the encoded principle, if their meaning is clear on the mysteries of the alphabet. The substitution clearly readable "AZ" to "I" is legitimate, if by this pronoun "I" to understand the Great Observer. However, the interpretation of the "al" as "I am a person" given in the article L.V.Savelevoy, unfounded and in deciphering the concept does not fit.
In a review of opinions about the origin of letter names L.V.Saveleva mentions NS Trubetskoy studies, which led him to release the names of the two letters. It is more than likely, if we assume that one name refers to the characteristics encoded by the natural principle, and the other served as a code-name letters. So the letter "L" followed by the name "Election" and "People", the letter "D" - "Business" and "Welcome", the letter "A" - "The Observer" and "Az", and so on.
Another researcher, F.Maresh, suggests that the author of acrostics "Alphabetic Prayer," which seems to have served as a source of names of letters he was Constantine the Philosopher. If, as has been found, the second verse begins with the word "bog" instead of "beech", then the "Alphabetic Prayer" acrostics listed the names of natural principles, not the code-letters. Byzantine acrostic had not been decorated alphabet character, as suggested L.V.Saveleva and pursued an improper purpose to lead into the impenetrable shadow of information about the system of natural principles, leaving only the names of the Slavs-letter codes. But the idea of the philologist L.V.Savelevoy came to the correct conclusion: "The names of the letters for him <Constantine the Philosopher> played a minor role, presenting a more or less random start of individual verses (lines) to the desired letter. <...> It seems that the author of the Glagolitic alphabet - a highly educated person who has received not only the Church, but also very deep secular education - awareness of the creative role of the alphabet, soluble in the century gave rise to other priorities. " This finding confirms indirectly described in the paper "The Evolution of Rights" relationship with the natural principles of their codes. The primary properties of the world order, and encoding of letters creates languages, reflecting being.
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Habitually front door creaked open. This girl came after work. I did not notice that it was evening.
- What are you writing? - Curiosity Svetsik, laying in front of me address bookbinding. - You promised to rest after labors.
I'm talking about two words L.V.Savelevoy article about her approach to the secrets of the alphabet, on advice of a friend is sure to match my "e_van_gelie" with Slavic studies.
- So what? Correlated?
- In place of it would be necessary to tell Lydia Vladimirovna about my discovery of the matrix with the natural principles of letter codes, then it would be different vzglyanutt to leapfrog lists "the ABCs of Prayer," with the authorship acrostics with the views of researchers.
- Stop, stop, stop, - Svetlana waved her hands - do not understand. What is prayer? What acrostic?
- On reading the article. I am interested in your opinion.
Svetsik moved closer to the desk lamp and the usual "diagonal" reading quickly familiarized with the content of the article.
- It's very easy! - To kick-start it. - First, Constantine the Philosopher acrostic described the natural principles, calling them as you like. Therefore, the word "God" appeared in the second verse. The first was "The Observer". I think the names of the letters in this prayer did not exist - has slowed the rate of chirping daughter.
- And what about the name of the prayer "Alphabetic" and save alphabetical order? - I doubted.
- Conceived names of letters Cyril had in mind, and each verse begins with the Slavic letters in Greek alphabetical order.
- Let's say - I agree - and the problem of authorship?
- And other authors, such as Constantine of Preslav, maybe know something did not know anything about the system of natural principles. Just wrote letters alphabetical acrostic to the schoolboy was easier to cram order of the letters. Then, too, the God ordered such a creation called "Alphabetic Prayer." These authors could be any number. As a result, some linguists discuss "principled" prayer, others - "code-letter grade."
- You umnichka. More dots for «i» left?
- No.
- Then go to dinner, and I shall add an essay.
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A comparison of the fourth
Apparently, there is a deep pattern that I, and other seekers of the sacred meaning of the alphabet mention the name of Alexander Pushkin. The article quoted saying L.V.Saveleva genius Russian word about his dismissive attitude toward the meaning of the names of letters of the Slavic alphabet. Later, in 1994 and 1999, it was published twice "New comment on the note of Alexander Pushkin on the Slavic alphabet." Comment can be any number, and the statement has already taken place, and the author's opinion did not change. What is the true nature of the conflict that exists and the user by nature?
In the three-volume "The Evolution of Rights" is considered informational unity evolving nature of knowledge, types of thinking, verbal communication, mysticism, Christianity. Every person, being a small part of the universe has its own individual characteristics. There are people with rigid logic, there is a bright creative individuals have mystae with gestalt thinking. Among all the types concerned himself alone, others are intelligent and willing to cover the whole life the way into the future.
The most accurate place of Alexander Pushkin in Russian literature of the Slavic roots G.N.Volkov described in "Pushkin and Chaadaev:" The high destiny of Russia "," published in 1986 in the collection of historical and philosophical essays, "The Three Faces of Culture". The fact that the young Pushkin spent some time under the influence of the "untouchable" P.Ya.Chaadaeva, who once studied in Europe, the history of art and religion, the teachings of mystics. Chaadaev longed to see in Pushkin not only initiated into the mysteries of the century, but also a mystical visionary. Unfortunately, Chaadaev did not know that poetry and mysticism different nature, and unsuccessfully kindled in the poet desire to express purpose of being on the foundation of historical truth. Pushkin is a born poet - the personification of the principle of the system "Poetry" (code-letter YAT). He responded to the request time and the order of an older friend - has highlighted the power of his words, historical processes associated with such outstanding personalities as Peter, Boris Godunov, Yemelyan Pugachev ... But then ...
Intuitive principle of "Poetry", finishing fifth chronological horizontal natural principles Genesis - Knowledge - The fruitfulness of the vertical functional continuum with the "Virgin Soil," that is, poets, playing rhyming images look into transcendence. But this is different Novj uncertainty when comparing it with the unexpected combination of known natural principles of world order. And if Chaadaev understood that by skazyvaniya can and should keep the options as a combination of the principles of the properties of the likelihood of development, Pushkin, like other poets of genius, bathed in the rhythm-rhyme imagery to express their feelings and premonitions. Chaadaev knew that letters are hidden properties of things. Pushkin used the letters, not knowing where they came. Two genius left.
A comparison of the fifth.
L.V.Savelevu quote: "The considered hypothesis Georgieva - Trubeckogo - Mares can not satisfy us, and because it is, if not eliminates, the leaves in the shade of a direct link of letter names to each other." The hypothesis of two "Alphabetic Prayer" does not satisfy Savelyev, because it implicitly sees only the linear form of the alphabet, and it proves the existence of professional enough, except for one caveat. When she writes that the subject of the verb is personally interested in action - "I know," "I'm aware of," - that is referring to a person, not as an observer starting position considering all the natural principles.
The work of "The Evolution of Rights" reveals the nature of the matrix of the alphabet. After a lot of searching is built to the following table. In the leftmost digit arranged vertically downward from O to 9. At the top of the horizontal, marked with the letter "B", zero and the number of zeros marked four evolutionary period. Thus, all the field of the table is lined by forty cells. Each cell is placed Arithmeticality name of natural principle with its letter code. The names of the letters assigned to them by Constantine the Philosopher may have been issued to them on a separate sheet so that their linear sequence looked a single text, the existence of which anticipates L.V.Saveleva. In the modern Russian language this text begins: "The Supervisory God knows spoken the good ..." or more "I-God, observing the Earth, all is plain and verbs (command s) to do a good deed ..."
The matrix is viewed properties of the natural connection, called natural principles. Together, they are in the path field. According to the contour lines, the figures indicated, is evolutionary and chronological development of principles such as the addition of (S)-measure (P /π)-abundance (ω). By vertical, within the evolutionary period between 0 and 9 improved functionality, such as the properties of the second period of evolution, that is, the relevant principles, developed to the creation of consciousness. Strictly speaking, for the letter "L" true vertical familiar neighborhood letters K-L-M, and unusual horizontal GL-T. The latter, indeed, remain in shadow and only the coordinates of the cell, consisting of numerals vertically and with a specific amount of zero zeros horizontally to indicate the authenticity of the sequence r (O3) A (30)-T (300) in the evolutionary development properties .
Looking at the matrix continuity of natural principles, differently perceived and verse "Alphabetic Prayer" (Voice of the Observer: "I catch the sim I pray to God), and the phrase (not worthy to have the same language nikotoromu bukov svoih except Jews and Grek and Latin), talking about the reluctance of strangers pass Slavs sacred knowledge.
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Кирилл Сызранский
19.07.2013 13:44
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What is claimed to be? After a millennium ...!
Chto surprising? If the Slavic alphabet Cyril and Methodius came to us , why not make it and their life story ? Everything is, everything written down , just need to google biography of Cyril and Methodius :
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Blood Brothers Cyril and Methodius came from a pious family , who lived in the Greek city of Thessalonica ( in Macedonia ) . They were the children of one governor , a native Bulgarian Slav . Saint Methodius was the eldest of seven brothers , Saint Constantine ( Cyril - his monastic name ) - the youngest .
Магнолия
19.07.2013 14:05
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His brother Michael was in the world.
And what is the reason his brother Michael on his Name is assigned the name of Methodius, and accurate method?
zarajara
21.07.2013 14:46
Name of Cyril in Armenian sounds Kyureh , on etymology is close to the cure , and in fact is - a priest.
So it came to actually two: a priest and a Methodist , and called them , and Michael Constantine .
As commissioner and commander. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
In Methodius f - is " fit " , often sounds like a ton (pronounced like the English t), rather than as a fax. eg . THEATRE - also written with a Fitou
In the Armenian there is a single letter to th, and it is different from t and of f. This is how to spell the word "method " (we do it , too, is borrowed from the Greek ) .
Магнолия
22.07.2013 01:07
zarajara, thank you very much. Very suitable information.
Name Kirill I understand how Kir_i_ll. On "i_ll" has been said a lot, but on the phoneme "kir" says Wikipedia, via the concept of "Kirche": "Kirch or pick - Germanism, is commonly used to refer to the Lutheran structures of rituals. German original meaning - the church, as such, in all sense, as a community, and the building without any religious coloring.
To indicate the arrival was also used kirhshpil Germanism (German Kirchspiel).
Etymology:
The German word Kirche akin to the Dutch kerk, Scottish kirk, the English church and the Russian church, eventually going up to the Greek «κυριακή» ('the Lord'). Accordingly, in the Russian language the meaning of the word is much narrower than in the primary source.
When the Russian translation of the name is sometimes left in the original language without translation. Then in the title includes the word "Lutheran Church" in the language of the country where the building is located. In addition to German may be a Swede. kyrka (Szczyrk) OI. kirkja (Kirkja), Fin. kirkko (Kirkko), ect. kirik (Kirik).
As can be seen, the phoneme "booze" is connected with the church is very stable. Zara, I totally agree with you
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So it came to actually two: a priest and a Methodist, and called them, and Michael Constantine.
As commissioner and commander.
Кирилл Сызранский
22.07.2013 01:48
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ultimately comes from the Greek «κυριακή» ('the Lord').
You only Cyprus and there at every step "Kyrie" - Sir, "Kiriya" - Mrs.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->
bykinist
22.07.2013 01:55
... As Cyril and Methodius, it may be useful /interesting ...
fragment: "History of Russia" - Vadim Kozhinov:
"Talking about the early days of Christianity in Kiev, it is impossible not to touch fairly widespread notion that the forerunners of Russian Orthodoxy were just great first teacher of Slavic saints Cyril and Methodius. However, this view, defends in the middle of XIX century by the eminent historian of Russian Church, Metropolitan of Moscow Macarius (MP Bulgakov) 196, many (in particular, and now the OM bittern) disputed. But there is hardly any reason to reject this inspiring concept.
Full confidence that the Saints Cyril and Methodius, the first preached Christianity in Russia, expressed in the book of one of the largest Russian Slavic Lamanskii VI (1833-1914) 197. In our times, this opinion was expressed eminent scholar of Slavic Studies AS Lvov198. Convincing evidence of this in the work of the famous Russian church historian and public figure A. Kartasheva (1875-1960, since 1919 in exile).
The concern is that the Saints Cyril and Methodius were sent after the attack on Russia Constantinople in 860 to Khazaria (from where he was "directed" campaign Askold), then visited and Russian. AV Kartashov proceeded, in particular, from the testimony of the XV century manuscript preserved in the Vologda Prilutskii Saviour Monastery, said here about the act "of our father St. Methodius, bishop of Moravska, teachers ruskago ... Cyril Pray also his brother Methodius go to themselves, for they umeyashe slovensk language. " There is particularly important that, as we know from ancient sources, namely Methodius possessed from the beginning Slavic language, and therefore, sending it together with Cyril to the Khazars, Byzantium's goal to influence not only on the Khazars, but also directly to Russia. AV Kartashov refers to Novgorod and the manuscript of the same XV century, but rising, apparently, to the XI-XII centuries, "... of old come to Rus ... philosophy teaches him the same name as Cyril" 199.
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But the evidence - not the most important argument A. Kartasheva, because in fact it is quite possible to challenge them, claiming that we face - the legend arose later, strove to exalt Russian Christianity, raising it to a great first teacher of the Slavs. The main proof of AV Kartashov sees in the text of the ancient lives of St. Constantine-Cyril, created back in the 870's, but not later than the time processed. Contained herein is quite a lengthy account of the mission to the Khazars "as if two different missions ... are merged into one and blended to obscurity ... (that" confusion "is obviously accomplished in the lives of later revisions. - VK) Namely, as if everything has to happen at the palace in the presence of the Kagan. Meanwhile, we suddenly feel that the debate taking place in the open air, surrounded by nature, in the vernacular crowd. And the dialogue is not a musty old book learning, not with the Jews and the Muslims , and from the Gentiles, and even illiterate enemies of scientists and competent. All this does not fit into the Khazars "(ibid., p. 79). And, according to AV Kartashov, "second" mission accomplished at St. Cyril of Russia.
To refute this conclusion of the historian is not so easy, because in the "Khazar" part of the life of Cyril in fact, there are obviously different "layers". First, Cyril argues with staunch Judaists, and at the end of the story appeals to people who clearly do not belong to Judaism nor Islam. And one of these people, "said his friends ... the Jews:" With God's help, this guest (Kirill. - VK) overthrew the ground all the pride of the Saracens, and your swung at another bank, as something unclean. "And he said to all the people "As God has given authority over all the nations and perfect wisdom Christian (ie the Byzantine. - VK), Cesar, and so gave it the best of all faith, and without it no one can not live eternal life."
And then be a sort of conclusion listeners Kyrill "... ordain that from this day forward a little, who can be baptized, even against their will, if they so wish. And those of you who ... Jewish prayer reads, or kept faith Saracen soon we will die of "... Of them were baptized two people, abandoning the pagan abominations ... "200.
AV Kartashov talks about the life of this episode: "... what has happened is not related to the capital, and to a province of the Khazar (as will be shown below, Russia at this time was subordinate to" province "of the Khazar Khanate. - In . K.), where Judaism and Islam were strangers and even hostile religions ... we are talking about the special people, not about the Khazars ... Thus, the Khazar mission in the center of the country, the capital, to Kagan, did not rule for Constantine philosopher, and included his special "provincial" mission in the Russian part of the Khazars, to those of Rousseau, who recently attacked the Greeks "(op. cit., p. 82).
A number of historians, is of the opinion that in the quoted text refers to the still not Russian, and some pagan Khazars. However, the question - at least for now - can not be answered definitively. And so the view, according to which the first harbingers of Orthodoxy in Russia were the names of saints Cyril and Methodius, has the right to exist. The recognition of the truth of reports of Russian mission of Cyril and Methodius is not contrary to the information about the later events. In 861, the first teacher of the Slavs have visited the great (even before his Moravian mission 863 years!) In Russia, and later, in 866 or 867, to Russia had already been sent to the bishop of Constantinople.
Christian "embassy" Saints Cyril and Methodius to the Khazar Kagan, then to the Russian prince entirely "matches" the then state of affairs and had clarified the whole situation. However, there is no doubt that the Khanate from subsequently attacked by Russia and to some extent "suppressed" Christianity in Kiev (it is known, for example, that in the year 932 Kaganat forced to renounce Christianity Alan). This led to a resumption of attacks on Christian Byzantium Rus ... "
and more ...
fragment: Yuri Loshitsa - "Prisoners of the monastery of Reichenau"
"Among the various assumptions regarding the most significant places of exile Methodius and his disciples, often called the other and still call the old Swabian Ellwangen monastery, founded in the VIII century. Preference is given to him because it just might insist on Ellvangene Bishop Germanrih most ardent persecutors of the Slavic mission. He was born Schwab and his Elvangene ordained to the priesthood rank. But this monastery, and if it were in the walls of the slaves, for some reason was unsuitable for their continued detention. seems instigators of violence did everything to cover his tracks. Among the alleged points for regular shipments are also called monasteries outside Swabia and west of the Rhine, that is, the edges forming now in the east of France.
Later, others in the field of research particularly close attention got Swabian monastery of Reichenau.
About local uznichestve Methodius indicate not only recording his name in the above-mentioned "Book of brotherhood." The second of the record, the one that made no Latin, and Greek alphabet is precious by the fact that immediately after the name of the teacher read by a few names written in Greek, too. Fully line looks like this:
Here, at last, the first time it is possible to read the names of the students of the late Cyril and Methodius. Because who is it but they are!
So far, neither the lives of brothers or other documents of those days were not given such an opportunity. Willy-nilly in our book - whether it was the Small Olympus or Velehrad about Venice or Rome - students always attended anonymously. And the names appeared - on old parchment sheets IX century *.
However, immediately begs a number of questions. And that, in the recording of a German monastery mentioned those same students that the brothers were taken to Rome? Maybe there are also those who have looked after the teacher has to vifinskom polykhronic? The last one (the name Dragios more reminiscent of the Serbian Dragos) like everyone else from the Greek imyaslovnogo number of known and Latins, and Germans. But does this mean that all students are Greeks? Rather, the list should prevail Slavs have received in baptism (or monastic tonsure) new names. Clearly, they could not and stammer about how to write them into pomyannik letters of the Slavic alphabet. Well, let alone a stranger as the Romans! And thanks for the great gracious hosts that are now at their services, and deprived of their liberty, will remember the names aloud.
In addition Reichenau "Books twinning" has long existed, as expected, the main monastery pomyannik - for Hello Brothers (Nomina vivorum fratrum ...). The names of students Methodius appeared in the same years, and its leaves, although it was not in the Greek, and in Latin script, also with the addition of three new names: «Ignatus, Leo, Hiltibald, Ioachim, Lazarus, Uualger, Simon». Does this mean that the students were enrolled in the State of the permanent inhabitants of the monastery - the rank of his apprentices, employees, or even the monks? This question is the hardest to answer. At the very least, the record speaks volumes about the location, the abbot and monks of confidence to the people who have appeared here against their will.
But most of all, perhaps, is touching another intimate detail of monastic pomyannik. It is - in the list of deceased monks of Reichenau (Nomina defunctorum fratrum ...) On one of the pages of the manuscript is read clearly: Kirilos. According to Nazi archeographers who have studied the manuscript, its ink and handwriting - the same as in the Latin inscription Methodius. Perhaps for such a modest and unexpected reckoning Kirill host of deceased fathers Rayhengau could stand a story: Methodius confidential conversation with the German abbot of the monastery, the story of his brother, who died in Rome and was buried near the relics of St. Clement. And a respectful offer abbot enter his brother Cyril in pomyannik deceased fathers here. Earth because, thank God, alone. And faith, thank God, alone. And yes popuscheny not be in the house of Christ, in his family no discord, hatred, falling ...
The monastery, where they were taken, the ancient. He stood on an island in Lake Constance. Locals told of this island. that before, until he stepped on the first monks, it was swarming with snakes. And on the lake said that it is - the largest and deepest in the whole of Europe. Although the local fathers and live in strict seclusion island, but know a little about the world. In the Abbot of Reichenau like to remember Hayton, one of the wise builders of the monastery: he's even some in the retinue of the Charlemagne went to Constantinople. When basil Nicephoros it was that in the battle with the Bulgarians killed at the same time. Hayton brought from the embassy road book entries and it is laid up as a precious relic in the local library.
The water around the warm, mild, even in winter, the lake rarely freezes. But the monastery is a monastery. Raznezhishsya under the sun. Old stone walls and in hot weather comes a strong cold, tie flesh reminder that dust thou art, and into the ground otideshi. And while ye that labor, like everyone else. Do not stare as sent here - the water, the mountains, on the flowing fog.
Monastic habitation - for a monk and the same bondage, bondage though they desire. A monk, who was exiled to a monastery, still falls into a mass medium. And there can be no distinction - someone on their own, and who - under duress ...
Was in the walls of Reichenau is another proof that at least part of the period of his imprisonment Methodius and his disciples were serving here. This is the "Bavarian Geographer" - an essay, long known in the scientific world. Of our countrymen first of its contents read more Nikolay Karamzin. Modern Russian researcher AV Nazarenko, having carefully studied the low volume but extremely rich ethnic and geographical information document concluded that the name "Bavarian Geographer" little resemblance to its content. The original name in Latin sounds different, "Description of cities and regions to the north of the Danube» («Descripcio civitatumet regionum ad septentrionalem plagam danubii»). Common name puts the emphasis on Bavarian origin of the author, and the monument. In the very same note Bavaria as such, as a geographic entity in nature and is not considered. Nameless's hold information about the Slavic and other peoples, and nations inhabiting the vast areas of Central and Eastern Europe. Of these countries and peoples, only some directly adjoin to the East Frankish kingdom, including with Bavaria.
According to AV Nazarenko, "seems quite reasonable hypothesis is that the" Bavarian geographer, "was composed in southern Swabian monastery of Reichenau after the start of 870 years - the time spent in the monastery of St.. Methodius and some of his students, and the only surviving manuscript is probably the original monument. "
If so (and I want to believe so), then all these diverse in origin information (own observations and calculations, records of written and oral histories, gleaned from a variety of individuals) were collected as the original, in need of a thorough clarification material. Collected and at the time of walking Brothers from Salonika in Kherson, and to the Khazars, and during the initial introduction to Moravia, to link Methodius.
Now, during the forced suspension of the works of the mission, it was possible to collect at least roughly in the same document the accumulated information, do not hesitate to their porosity, sketchy, and often fantastically exaggerated the number of cities in some of the Slavic area. Yes, what they collect - only the approximate intelligence. And it is known since the great seeker of countries and peoples of Herodotus, does not shrink and rumors. After all the rumors tease the imagination and motivate to action. But the actions themselves are justified only mined "tongues."
Many of the peoples and tribes in Latin spelling "Bavarian Geographer" is not enough legible and remain a mystery to researchers. But those names, too numerous, that lend themselves to reading, eloquently confirm the intention of the drafters of the note to survey the Slavic lands of the western reaches, where the Germans are neighbors Sorbian, Sorbian tribes, then the Czechs, they're Bohemians (Beheimari), Malopolska tribes in the upper reaches of the Vistula (Vuislane) , Bulgarian Slavs (Bulgarii) - East to spaces on which inhabit Russ (Ruzzi), who are in the Bug buzhane (Busani), Volynyane (Velunzani), and another east of the Khazars (Caziri).
One can guess that the local nadiktovyvaya inquisitive monk, an expert on Latin names of the peoples and tribes, Methodius and his disciples at least temporarily forget the hardships of imprisonment. During those hours were filled with their souls in some quiet dawn feeling: to what are plentiful and mnogozvuchen Slavic world! And the admiration is willing, and took aback: yes able to finish when anyone around its borders, and to see and to describe adequately, without missing names and numbers? "
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... as Cyril and Methodius
Seems to me that Cyril and Methodius were among the initiates, and knew the secret of the ancient alphabet. Seems to me that they were not as creators of the alphabet, how artists experiment project to enhance the natural instincts of the people (Slavs) by introducing into circulation alphabet enriched illogical (sensual) with the natural principles of letter-codes.
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experiment project to enhance the natural instincts of the people (Slavs)
For qualitative assessment of such a unique experiment should continue to refine the main properties of the elements in the alphabetic system as so-called natural principles.
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It seems to me that of all the properties of the natural principle of "Direction" unknown creator of Alphabet highlighted the ability to show the direction of branching, parallelism, like ... in a separate principle, coded with the letter "K". Different methods can not be expressed in one word, so the principle was "Slavonic" Kako name.