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Vladimir 15.11.2010 14:31

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Сообщение от lazycat; 1386551"
Disgusting. Leitmotif of the entire transmission - do not buy antiques.

It's not even the leitmotif, and the conclusion - a semantic point, heard in the final. Selected aspect, which is easier to sell to the viewer. Who likes detective stories. And the newcomers will affect accuracy. As a documentary blockbuster "Fungus".

Кирилл Сызранский 15.11.2010 15:03

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Сообщение от Dogel (Сообщение 1386441)
as a whole - all it is,

some details about the tragic outcome :( vendors, etc - people do not want to do a refund for sold counterfeit (knowing in advance that it fufel) that's affected. Who brick, whom the elixir of a heart attack.

Business needs to be done honestly recommend. . .

What nonsense is repeated as strangers grandmother at the door?

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[QUOTE="kropotkina-o; 1386581] particularly amused obviously staged scene with a hidden camera on the market riggers in Izmailovo.
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This episode is just 100 shown in various programs over the past 5 years.

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Сообщение от "Eugene (Сообщение 1386321)
Normal transmission, virtually everything right ..

What is right?
Are you talking about?

lazycat 15.11.2010 15:08

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 1386591)
It's not even the leitmotif, and the conclusion - a semantic point, heard in the final.
Selected aspect, which is easier to sell to the viewer.
Who likes detective stories.
And the newcomers will affect accuracy.
As a documentary blockbuster "Fungus".


Yes, discuss it all disgusting ...
:mad:

15.11.2010 15:46

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1385991)
A non-Burliuks written completely on the level of Burliuk, in my opinion, that is just as bad.

You're absolutely right. Especially the third in order of picture (flowers). I just wrote about it already before. On the quality of counterfeits Burliuk clearly better than they were a year or two ago. Christie will not be able to determine where the original, but where is a good fake, the same thing already in London on the Mac. They say that between New York and London 80 000 contemporary artists, and not all of them hover in the laurels of glory, but to live and eat have ...

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Сообщение от Eugene; 1386061"
it is necessary to specify the origin of this shit

Your proposal uchtu, I will try. Remember at the beginning of the theme was criticism of what I set to work with Ibeya? As it turned out later, Ibey, for many of the forgeries, was the launching pad. I gave examples of migrations from Ibeya shit up pretty prestigious auctions, including Christie's.

Few days before I showed compile under Burliuk on the theme "Love and Peace." Good quality fakes, the work was exhibited at the Trinity Art and was sold for 9,500 dollars and the new owner will piously believe that it is original. Link below. Oil on cardboard with canvas, 24 x 24 cm

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...&postcount=484.

Well, while writing the new popped up a new fake Burliuk.
Oil on board c canvas, 25 x 20 cm, estimate 1200-1500 dollars, auction Time and Again, NJ, USA.

тата 15.11.2010 23:44

Yes, the transfer of bad, figured on the fools, fools did. Why then the two leading hamovatyh (constantly interrupting guests in the studio) decided that they all understand, and only they know how to solve the problem. And notice how the three guest calmly and politely tried to answer them questions, and this in a red sweater from the righteous anger as much face cramp (a lot of honor to remember the name). Remember the scene with a Vernissage, remember smeared face and talk about oil and watercolor painting, I think this man learned a lot. So the level of knowledge, a man to be interviewed, is consistent with the level of low-grade transmission.

kr555 15.11.2010 23:57

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Сообщение от lazycat (Сообщение 1386551)
It was not a transfer, not a movie, but something prohibitively unprofessional, one-sided and obviously custom. Ordering can talk because that showed only a "triumph", Roshchina and Petrov. Lidia Ivanovna Gladkov generally poured mud.

On further discussion of the studio and say nothing.

Disgusting. Leitmotif of the entire transmission - do not buy antiques.

And it is in such a mysterious antiantikvarnoe lobby who ordered and payment? Me as a person of this community far removed no reasonable explanation does not occur, can share who and why is it necessary?
In my opinion, quite typical of journalistic investigation, sensing that this may blow some loud splash, well, inflated. On some of competence and expertise in such cases are not talking, just fried selected facts.

fabosch 16.11.2010 02:13

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Сообщение от tata, 1387601
Yes, the transfer of bad, figured on the fools, fools did. Why then the two leading hamovatyh (constantly interrupting guests in the studio) decided that they all understand, and only they know how to solve the problem. And notice how the three guest calmly and politely tried to answer them questions, and this in a red sweater from the righteous anger as much face cramp (a lot of honor to remember the name). Remember the scene with a Vernissage, remember smeared face and talk about oil and watercolor painting, I think this man learned a lot. So the level of knowledge, a man to be interviewed, is consistent with the level of low-grade transmission.

In my opinion most of the broadcasts of every (other than ordinary likbezovskih) - sucks. But the fact that it is generally always the case: when any transfer of the box looks professional or advanced amateur in the area in question, he usually moves on the hair of all places on what he hears. Simply, we are not all professionals. That's why we sometimes think that there are on TV and did the transfer :D

Тютчев 16.11.2010 02:41

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Сообщение от kr555 (Сообщение 1387661)
And it is in such a mysterious antiantikvarnoe lobby who ordered and payment? Me as a person of this community far removed no reasonable explanation does not occur, can share who and why is it necessary?
In my opinion, quite typical of journalistic investigation, sensing that this may blow some loud splash, well, inflated. On some of competence and expertise in such cases are not talking, just fried selected facts.


 "Antique lobby" nothing to do with. But, nevertheless, for many it is no secret that for several years now the company is to discredit the antique market in Russia. The ultimate goal of bring down the antiques market in favor of the contemporary art market (perhaps there are other targets). Behind this company are real people and their interests. I repeatedly wrote on the forum about it.
 
Information is injected through the media, well-designed for different levels of education and involvement in the topic readers (viewers). I like reading in a tabloid that in the Russian market of antiques 95% - fake! In the same article some credibility (he has served as an expert on antique market) has argued that the decisive argument in detecting fraud (in the absence of other arguments), he served as a NAILS :D, which was nailed to the canvas stretcher! What?! Needless to say, these articles are intended for people not in the subject. However, there are articles and more sophisticated, designed for the advanced reader.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.11.2010 03:00

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Сообщение от "fabosch (Сообщение 1387971)
That's why we sometimes think that on TV and there are no transmission :D

And it is necessary to recall here such transfer of an antique market and understand that about the rest made just disgusting, with the expectation of a philistine.
:D

16.11.2010 03:52

Levitan
 
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Our collection has arrived.
In Spain, the Hi-Gallery, you can buy a picture Levitan - oil on canvas, 25 x 30.5 cm Inexpensive - until 9.99 Dolar USA. Auction - Ibey.

Today is a new addition to the artistic heritage Burliuk. Seller Zatekyan (Zatekyan) from California (USA) with 100%positive response, is trying to deceive potential buyers.

Oil on canvas, 75 x 83 cm (large), too expensive. There is damage in the lower left corner. Visible loss of paint, and paint came off first, and then on this site signed by the author. So there! Source - the same ibey. As long as 19.99 dollars.


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