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iside 11.02.2010 17:34

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 907402)
Do not see the strain. Just such a hand position, in my opinion.

I am attaching three of his works, where his tricks more visible. Not that I like it a lot, but he draws masterfully.

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 907462)
And then, you know, there are artists who proudly say, I am writing only in Italian canvas, brushes such firm, paints such as cloth for wiping hands, such a company.

Seriy, but you know there are also those artists who were born in Italy, graduated from the Italian Academy ...
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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 907462)
And, incidentally, mentioned artists have always written the same way-polished and mannered, so it is - a diagnosis.

Seriy, you are a little confused about the topic of discussion: it is not about them but about you.
For those who wrote polished and mannered is not difficult to write in your style , but you are so easy to is not physically able to to write in academic style and not have to twist words, I myself can twist :D

Since spread a large number of works by one artist, then call his name Roberto Ferri (Roberto Ferri)

NATA NOVA 11.02.2010 18:10

You really see in this standard anatomical image?
I can only repeat:

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 907352)
And iside, I implore you, do not have such examples and tips, well, there you have school to advise ... do not match, please!
     

Look Bammesa may be something and realize .. (Council)

Seriy 11.02.2010 20:02

iside, I was not interested in such style and enthusiasm is not, IMHO, is the petty bourgeoisie. And so I can or can not is a question of wasting time and meaning, so I will not argue. And what a difference to you, if I could personally write that way or not? If you need just these pictures-buy. If you need my hands-dress look. Or buy something that I write to you again, my hand is so interesting.
In my opinion, Gelman said recently that he does not know any collector of surrealism.

NATA NOVA 11.02.2010 21:15

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 908392)
iside, I was not interested in such style and enthusiasm is not, IMHO, is the petty bourgeoisie. And so I can or can not is a question of wasting time and meaning, so I will not argue. And what a difference to you, if I could personally write that way or not? If you need just these pictures-buy. If you need my hands-dress look. Or buy something that I write to you again, my hand is so interesting.
In my opinion, Gelman said recently that he does not know any collector of Surrealism.

Course will be able (if you like). You can learn to paint a horse (so used to say in his time, Sokolov, director OGHU ... but why? "This is an incredible amount of time and labor .. (and then, if the books today will be lucky) ..
Change the max clip means have "consistent purpose "....
But attempts at academism dropouts look very sorry and are able to enter the delight of some ordinary people "who do not know how ...
A srisovavanie vysyvaet irreversible dependence ...

iside 11.02.2010 21:44

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 908392)
Yes, and what a difference to you-if I could personally write that way or not?

It does not matter. I know that you do not draw a and I find it funny that can not to recognize and try to hide behind the terminology (burgesses) and for the names (Gelman said).

You want to be called an artist, want to unwind. The artist is a person who draws, there is no shame in that, if the artist will turn a customer and will order a portrait in the style of Rembrandt. Now I know in this order you will read a long lecture about how that style Seriy ala Picasso portert be steeper ;)
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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 908392)
Gelman said recently that he does not know any collector of surrealism

I'll tell you a secret that I know one kollektsionershu Surrealism, but she does not know who this Gelman. :)

Seriy 11.02.2010 21:58

iside, you have so much written about my work at the forum, that you should already be a shame not to have around the subject of much attention.

Buy something that causes your particular outrage ... Maybe - "Fireflies"?

Fed 11.02.2010 21:58

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 908592)
I know that you do not draw a and I find it funny that you can not recognize, and are trying to hide behind the terminology (burgesses)

 I thought that I do not understand, probably in the women's tastes and showed pictures SerIy and "mermaid" for women - what they would say. What is said about the mermaid, unfortunately I can not tell, do not expect. So locally won Seriy. Academism not helped. Under Rembrandt can print on canvas, very naturally and inexpensively. And interestingly, much cheaper than Seriy sell their work.

Кирилл Сызранский 11.02.2010 22:17

Fed, that's the phrase, which iside was preceded by a display of pictures of a mermaid:
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I enclose a sample of what in my opinion is a model of academic quality at a decent level.
I do not see it about "like-dislike.

Seriy 11.02.2010 22:24

Cyril Syzransky, if you type in Google the name of the artist, then read in Russian, what people think other artists. I did not quote it here so as not to injure iside, well, what to do, like her beautiful young Italian artists, this train is not the first .. before this was handsome, that deer on the rug painted in elegant white - white studio with a fireplace without a single trace of paint, soil, nail polish ... Many women love, so everything was nice and it's natural, it's ridiculous to condemn them for it ...

Seriy 11.02.2010 22:34

iside, yes. this that is that the deer on the mat-painted designs intellectual avant-garde art of the 21 st century. Titans thoughts!

iside 11.02.2010 22:39

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 908702)
yes. this that is that the deer on the mat-painted designs intellectual avant-garde art of the 21 st century. Titans thoughts!

that is that it exhibited in galleries around the world, work with them curators and critics write about them and pictures of people like and they buy, not this bother you, dear Seriy, my answer is not necessary, but Be honest with yourself :rolleyes:

Mihail 11.02.2010 22:41

Seriy, in any case do not want to offend you, but I can not strike such naivete. Surely you have not noticed, how to argue?
I want to paint at a decent level, the average artist with academic education
What is the average artist, I as a synonym for mediocre comes to mind, perhaps? Do you have because there is no academic training, if I am not mistaken?
Here's your key phrase in this whole philosophy - I want to be like the average, but decent. A desire to become the best? He is not and never was, because as you take a sample of artists who are generally in the academic style does not work, but sold for big money.

I enclose a sample of what in my opinion is a model of academic quality at a decent level.

This sample is not academic, and imitation of the old (before impressionism) school, forgery, bordering on kitsch, not because the artist mediocre, but because the world does not have one school, and he did not have anyone to learn the skill ....

Илья Максимов 11.02.2010 22:43

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Сообщение от Berth (Сообщение 905732)
I think jeweler still need to be able to work with people.
All my friends jewelers operate on demand, for a particular client. Take into account his wishes. Do the work based on the color of eyes, long neck and the shape of fingers and all that (I'm not only about the size - I'm about proportions and about the way a particular person).
Many earn major money orders from the diocese (izgotvovlenie and repair of salaries icons and utensils).
Everybody is trying to participate in various competitions and exhibitions (mostly in Russia).
Their main tusovka - Museum of stone cutting and jewelry (in Yekaterinburg is branding business - semiprecious edge).
They make sketches for jewelry plants (we have two large).
Customers mainly lead each other on the recommendation.
Generally, I do not know any poor jeweler.

I guess I look like a psycho, and many do not understand me and colleagues and acquaintances. Orders me a lot, I avoid them, make shopping lists for the application multiple sheets, I choose only on what you can earn more.
 But not interesting to me to do it, I already wrote about it. I very long time did not know what I want. From the beginning I wanted to learn the skill, I learned myself without the help of educational institutions. Then he checked himself, went to get a job immediately took on the fashion manufacturing models for production.
Then he decided to work, received license to make a small number of products and carried in the store, sent in one another ... one reluctantly taken to implement :), it angered me and I said that in a few years they will be standing in line, well, in principle, and 4 years have passed since it happened.
But not enough of something, I realized that it was a time that would realize himself as an artist jeweler, to realize their world, their imagination and spirit, to show themselves through their work. Malinki, flowers, bows, a copy of the palaces of gold and prototypes of Faberge eggs do not interest me and did not even cause emotions.
I create a life myself, and I want to live in a world in which I'm comfortable. This is probably the last stage in my life and the most interesting.

NATA NOVA 11.02.2010 22:44

Any examples of success is .. Some general (well, after all, at all.) Write or draw (and even speak nicely), could not .. And not going to .. Because there is no need ..
They were so well! And since bought ..
So the arguments (for the good) can be considered 100%not relevant deystvitelnovti ..
And their motives are not entirely clear statements ..

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Сообщение от Ilya Maksimov (Сообщение 908752)
I'm creating a life myself, and I want to live in a world in which I'm comfortable. This is probably the last stage in my life and the most interesting.

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Fed 11.02.2010 22:48

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 908672)
what is the meaning of your post?

I did not discuss the charms of a mermaid or actresses, they did not sell. But fasting is that "academic art" is not synonymous merchantability potential client. If the Italian has learned how to paint pictures-fellow. I understand that Seriy wants to "capture" academicism level he needs to solve its artistic goals. While his hud.zadachi more interested potential customers than photographic "mermaids".
About kitsch agree. And the fact that Italians are buying, and "Hustler" buy.


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