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fabosch 15.10.2010 22:55

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Сообщение от spigo (Сообщение 1332151)
Interest leave mathematicians.
But the definition of who can be called an artist and who is not over themselves.
You can?

With our pleasure :) :) :)

SAH 15.10.2010 23:39

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Сообщение от "fabosch (Сообщение 1331801)
It can be said in general about all the art in which the 9 /10 is to craft a routine

Well said, .

I-V 21.10.2010 21:31

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Ludmila Kafanova (New York):

Virtue does not always triumph ... (Painter Vladimir Weisberg)
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In the early 60's I became increasingly, and with pleasure, to visit the exhibition of nonconformist artists - legal, semi-legal and completely subject to prohibition. Now these artists are called "second Russian avant-garde", the exhibition of their works are in the best galleries in the world. And then, as they write art criticism, "the artist's work was more to him than art, and often more expensive than life itself." For us - their fans and groupies, these shows were like a breath of fresh air into the stifling atmosphere of sickening socialist realism. Each of these artists was a talented, inventive, original. But I was particularly attracted to the works of Vladimir Veisberg ... I did not know him, never saw him again, but could not tear his eyes from his paintings, and every time when they learned that somewhere exhibited artist captivated me, rushed to look at his new things.

Once I was invited to dinner at another Moscow home on the occasion of the publication of a new book of his master. Presenting guests with me that I was not familiar, the owner took me to a young man with blond hair, beautiful face of unusual and wonderful dark-gray eyes. "And that Volodya Weisberg," - said the owner of the house. Staring at Volodya with every manifestation of delight on his face, I immediately told him my admiration for what I saw ...

At the table we were close. Volodya did not give the impression talkative person. He is more silent, listening and looking at each speaker, and then, slowly, spoke (for all whether the table or just for me - I do not know). All his comments were noted mind, keenly observant, are imbued with humor - a little rough, but disclosed the subject of conversation with some unexpected side. When I started to leave, Volodya asked: "Will you go with you, madam?" Madame allowed, and together we got to my gate. (I then lived on the street of Kirov, in the house VKhUTEMAS, where he once grew Boris Leonidovich Pasternak, opposite the Moscow Post Office and next to the famous tea shop). Exchanged phone numbers, we said goodbye to Volodya.

Observing the bon ton, Volodya waited two days and calling, asked what my plans. I said that an hour later walk out and head in the case of the Moscow Conservatory. Weisberg offered to accompany me. I do not hide the joy, agreed. Before the conservatory on foot, and I "is buried in Volodins conversations. Calls and provozhaniya me that way and that imperceptibly acquired a certain consistency. Once Weisberg said he wanted to draw my portrait. "Oh-oh-oh," I said, flattered. "You have to come to my studio to pose. Nu" - calmly said Weisberg. I laughed. Then I was not ready for this and suggested that Volodya paint a portrait of my son, who, in my mind, just came to the golden-pink palette, in which the artist was working. But Volodya my proposal is not inspired.

Realizing that our relations continue walking on the streets is unlikely to advance, Volodya became less frequent calls, and meet with me even less ...

My life spun good winds. I separated from her husband - the poet and translator Alexis Kafanova. Following this, we are out of the apartment at the Kirov, which were not happy, moved into a beautiful apartment in Podsosensky lane. And then miraculously fate brought her into my life Rem Bayer (Roman Romanov). We have once again changed the apartment, and having lived in it only two years, flew into exile. All of this turbulent time, I Veisberg not seen and not heard. Possible, and he lost sight of me in this cycle.

Time flew. I have thirty-five years lived in New York. Once came to me the artist Basil Kafanov - my stepson and stepbrother of my son Alyosha. We sat together. Vasya sipping cognac, and we talked about the different varieties. I told him (the word had) that Vladimir Weisberg asked me to pose for him for my portrait. Nu. I refused. "I'm sorry - shook his head, Vasya. - If you had this portrait, you could sell it today for a million dollars. Weisberg - one of the most expensive artists of those decades." "Well, why not, that really is not ...", - philosophically I said. Vasya drank brandy, goodbye and left.

I zatoskovala. No, not "lost" millions. I did not have had a million dollars, and nothing. Lived, and so - comfortably, at your pleasure. But ... took on the evil itself: why I was admitted as a limited provincial stupid? (She lived in the province with his aunt. /Now these girls you will not find. "N. Erdman). And it was a shame that did not find neither the time nor the place to say Weisberg as he liked me as well, I was comfortable with him. As I'm sorry about what happened. Now, nothing to fix. Painter Vladimir Weisberg died in 1985, lived only 61 years old. By today's standards - absolutely nothing. And even if not dead ... "What is past will never come ...".

Yes, virtue is not always triumphs, and sometimes (and even very often) gives rise to a belated regrets and useless self-flagellation. For that he deserves to be, and is, punished along with vice.


http://www.chayka.org/article.php?id=2677

Fed 21.10.2010 23:58

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1339541)
Had you had this portrait, you could sell it today for a million dollars.

Cheated her stepmother.

Maybe in UAH counted.

Konstantin 22.10.2010 10:09

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Interesting story, and what morality?
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Yes, virtue is not always triumphs, and sometimes (and even very often) gives rise to a belated regrets and useless self-flagellation. For that he deserves to be, and is, punished along with vice.
With this conclusion does not want to accept.
The question that troubled heroine? Prospect of being in bed or a strange way to offer this?
If an artist meet and see off in order to drag in the bed under the pretext of writing NUDE, then it describes as a person? If, however, greeted and escorted not for this then why cool? Why did not feel that the girl and so ready?
The first two pictures were sold in 2010 at a price of around $ 70-100 m.
The third and fourth is exactly what is not resolved, our heroine's story. Sold in 2007 to around 300 m. $
So what about the million until it was too early to think about.
But great picture, I think prices will reach a million.

I-V 22.10.2010 12:08

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1339831)
So what about the million until it was too early to think.

I doubt that Vladimir Grigorievich planned to give a picture :) :(

By the way, interesting, and what the prospects are for the most stepson?

http://www.kafanov.com/

http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2007/...y-kafanov.html
(Interview in English. Lang.)

Basil Kafanov and Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins)

Seriy 22.10.2010 13:57

[QUOTE=Konstantin; 1339831] The question that troubled heroine?



I think that just confused the proposal to strip naked.

If you do not Prof. model, it requires a certain audacity - and suddenly that is wrong with the body?
After all, we are not perfect.

You would, Constantine, agreed to pose for "nude"?

Алек Сандер 22.10.2010 17:13

Moral of this story strange: when the offer to strip - take off your clothes, perhaps, come into the story. And the choice between virtue and history should be committed unequivocally in favor of the latter, otherwise will be "punished". Although exactly how I did not understand ... Regrets that he had acted in good conscience? The fact that a hundred years no one will see naked? Hm.

Vladimir 22.10.2010 18:17

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Сообщение от Alek Sander (Сообщение 1340121)
The fact that a hundred years no one will see you naked?

As she told my grandmother about morality: "Oh, dear, pity-ee-eat!"

In the story remains the muse, wife, femme fatale.
But not the model.

SergeiSK 22.10.2010 18:56

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1339831)
But the picture of cool, I think prices will reach a million.

Million, not a million, but Weisberg is really very good artist and the value of his work is high.
I read all this, too, thought - the hell has sold "naked" Veisberg?
Now frankly stifling toad ...

I-V 22.10.2010 19:10

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 1340221)
The story remains the muse, wife, femme fatale.
But not the model.


If only the latter are not worthy to be established:

fabosch 22.10.2010 19:14

I still think that in all this tearjerker is not and can not be no morality. Personally, I do not cause any Sympathy. Rather slight bewilderment. Sorry about mistakes made - to do another one. Yes, and strange some regret - that could not be close to a future celebrity. It's that - a purpose in life?

I-V 22.10.2010 19:31

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 1340311)
It really stifles toad ...

That's it. Frankly, it's strange that all regret rushing to the heroine after a visit to the stepson. That, of course, added fuel to the fire - rounded up millionchika. But the heroine, then, if so gently treated by Weisberg and valued him as an artist, do not once in 35 years is not interested in the fate of his paintings, by the creativity in the end? Why all the sighs and oohs only now, after a chance conversation? Stepson, it turns out, "opened his eyes"? Or rather, six-digit figure? 1 000 000 $! So nothing, in my view, to hide behind the platitudes. Toad toad she is. Be honest.

fross 22.10.2010 20:11

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1340321)
remain in the history of the muse, wife, femme fatale. But not the model. If only the latter are not worthy to be established:

And even not the model :)

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Naked Freudianism
 
Magazine Vlast »№ 20 (774) from 26.05.2008

Last week, unknown (experts believe that this was unknown to Roman Abramovich) bought for $ 33.6 million work by British artist Lucian Freud's "Sleeping social inspector." Thereby set a new record value of paintings living artist, and she sotsrabotnitsa, Sue Tilley, has confirmed its reputation as the only woman in the world who are able to earn millions of pounds of their own.

Several years ago, in a council flat in north London knocked bailiffs to describe for subsequent sale at auction property living in an apartment malignant neplatelschitsy poll tax. The woman, an employee of the employment service, tried to buy off police officers, inviting them to take your portrait with the inscription "Sue T. from LF. "I'll be £ 700, so that's - this picture is worth a few thousand!" - Says she ushers. They just laughed in her face. As a result, they left the apartment and seized an electric kettle and a radio, for which rescued one hundred and fifty pounds. Rest of the money the woman had made their own. A couple of years later she sold the very portrait of the auction, which earned him £ 16 thousand is perhaps the most beloved story of those that tells about itself Sue Tilley, a famous model even more famous artist Lucian Freud.
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Submit a 120-kilogram Sue Tilley (Big Sue, as it is known to friends) muse anyone was virtually impossible. Nevertheless, it is because it refers to the artist Lucien Freud, and that her portraits regularly break new records at auctions. World fame came to her mid-90's of last century, when Freud wrote several of her portraits, including one that set a new record last week. In her own words, to the glory it was ready, but could not assume that this glory will come to it. "I had dreams, but they can not be called by some grandiose. More than anything, I've always wanted to get into" Heaven "(the most popular London gay club located under Charing Cross Station .-" Power ") on Saturday, when there will not let women "- she says. Initially, this dream was unattainable because Sue was a nobody, and when she finally came to fame, are able to open the door to "Paradise" even on a Saturday, it emerged that she is completely useless: the pressure of fighters for gender equality, the club was forced to cancel the event only for men.

Interest Sue Tilley zlachnym to such places as "Paradise" is undoubtedly due to the fact that her childhood was disappointingly respectable. She was born in a very respectable, although relatively poor family. And, importantly, a very respectable place. Her father worked as a manager in a bank in Windsor, which is the main enterprise in Windsor Castle - one of the residences of Queen Elizabeth II. The parents, devout men, went to church every Sunday, and prayers were an integral part of their lives. For some time the family lived in the area of Paddington Station in London. From his window, Sue loved to watch the drunks and prostitutes. "Of course, I had no idea who they are, but even then knew that they have something exciting," - she recalled later.

At the first opportunity Sue left home. She got a job at an employment office (in those politically incorrect years, it was called simply the exchange of labor), which gave her an opportunity to get public housing. Of all the branches of the service offered to her employment she had chosen that was located in Soho, central London, whose name has become a symbol, if not corruption, then the most liberal mores. She chose to live in north London, in Camden, the most cosmopolitan area of the city.

Work at the Labour Exchange she approached one hundred per cent: dust-free, good parking, quiet and, most importantly, providing a lot of free time. "At four I was already released and can do whatever I want" - she said in an interview. Sue representation that is "do whatever I want", is the ability to spend their evenings and nights in the clubs, which are famous SoHo. She began to notice a large figure, she made many friends. One of those friends introduced her to the then star of the night life of London, the artist-performer and designer Leigh Bowery, who became her best friend. "He literally fell in love with Sue - told later one of their mutual friend - at least, fell as much as a gay artist can fall in love with a great public servants." When the Bowery opened his own nightclub, "Taboo", immediately became the most controversial competitor of the same "Paradise", he invited Sue to the post of cashier. Since that did not stop her career in the employment office, she agreed. There was, of course, another reason why Sue happy to sell tickets to "Taboo" - money. "Lee was a very generous person. When he was in the money, he just paid off bundles of banknotes. Durak, right?" - Sue recalled later. In addition, she liked and the atmosphere at the club. There came to the right, in her opinion, people. And properly behaved: "Once our DJ so drunk that he worked, forgetting to put the record on the player. So, and led a needle on an empty player. And nothing, all dancing!"

It was introduced to Sue Leigh Bowery with the artist Lucien Freud, literally persuaded him to look at it as a model. The first meeting was not too successful: Freud did not like the makeup Tilly. The next meeting was much better, and Freud through the Bowery invited her to stay his Artist's Model (rate - £ 30 per day). But even here the glory of nearly slipped away from Tilly: She just started vacation, and she asked Freud to wait a little work. "When I returned from India, he was nearly vomited on my tan" - says Tilley. The artist had insisted that it would begin to write her portrait only after a tan will do. All of its few tattoos he carefully before starting work plastered with cream, considering them disgusting. The rest of the work of Freud Sue liked it.

Work on the first portrait of her - "Sleeping social Inspector" - lasted nine months, three sessions a week. The artist was pleased with the picture, and Sue - payment. In addition, during the time of the artist and naturschitsa friends. She still refuses to comment on his relationship with Freud: "I will not be any diva, leave me alone." The artist himself vaguely described their relationship, once remarked in an interview that "knows all the delicious things that you can get up to its size, its amazing craters and other curves, which he had previously never seen." Whatever it was, Sue Tilley was a real muse of the late Freud, and he more than once painted her portrait. They often occur together, but in a small apartment Sue presents Freud - his own paintings - so much so that they can buy several luxury London mansion.

The work of Lucien Freud has made Sue a world celebrity. Otherwise it could not be: her portrait several times, passed from hand to hand, every time beat the record for the price paid for the work of living artists. "She lives simultaneously in two dimensions - speaks about her one of your friends .- It is a modest and civil servants, and at the same time a star, spinning, if not the finest, then certainly the most creative community." She wrote a biography of his late friend Leigh Bowery, which immediately bought it for the movies is one of Hollywood's Motion Picture (Sue stated in the production of the film as executive producer). For more fame brought her, put at the Broadway musical "Taboo", dedicated to the famous club. Many of the artists invited her to shoot in music videos. Finally, in her own words, she became the first "beauty on the cover of" London's Financial Times, when the newspaper published a front-page photograph of the painting "The Sleeping social inspector." However, she did not quit his job at an employment office in Soho, where for 30 years, grown to the position of the head. She is ready to work even eight years old (now she is 52 years old), and after retirement is going to live in his pleasure in India - the only country in the world (except England of course) that her madly like.
However, while this is all in the future. And in this she has to fend off pesky sentence again to undress for the money now before the photographer. "What I took off clothes at the request of Lucian Freud, does not mean that I nudists, or slut, or someone out there - outraged Sue .- Until Lucien I to no undressing. And it is not going to do it after him, Well, of course, if this is not some stunning artist. But I can not even move like this with someone to call.'s one thing to pose nude artist, and quite another - to appear naked in the photo. But few people feel the difference. "


Seriy 22.10.2010 20:18

discussion moved on, "10 reasons to pose for the artist."


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