Dear Samvel and Joseph! A remarkable and useful dialogue you have turned.
Regarding: "look, do not watch." Of course to watch! Curiosity is important
"tool" of observations and assessments of what is happening in iskusstve.Nu, and if unbearable
is from what he saw or devils begin to seem, with the physically tangibly taking blows to the neck region of the damned, and feel your
soul hurt, this is a sign that it's time in the most healthy instance of our habitat, to the bathhouse.

Incidentally, in the bath for the last time I was a kid, in the USSR, it was in the Nagorno-Karabakh, and what I saw there, from moldy walls, and the structure of the human body, Gagosian otdyhaet.Eto was the first and last visit public baths.

It's you, Samvel, German Expressionism see there:) And, the schedule.

Sergei Paradjanov almost in a similar situation in the prison, called the \ Grot Venus \

Na moi vzgliad, net takih hudoznikov, kotoryh ne nado raskruchivat '.

Sidit hudoznik, krasit - nikto ego ne vidit, ego kartiny nikto ne vidit - kak byt '?
Kak stat 'velikim?

Vsio ot liudei. Zamechatel'nyi primer istorii A. Durera i Griuneval'da.

Kstati, Dali ili Picasso-uspeh eto 10%of inspiration and 90%of perspiration.

V period Barokko eschio odin primer Bernini i Borromini.

The worst thing to want to be better than you really are. Why do want to be great? I would rather be a loser, but to live their own life than to be great, but to live imposed, t.e.chuzhoy life. You live in Australia, there are important success at any cost, but then Russia, although there is already felt grin of capitalism, but there are still people who are indifferent to this greatness.

National love not privesh promotion - at least may say, though Throw. For this hath need of the artist's talent.
 
If works of art considered as a specific commodity - where do without her? Advertising - the engine of trade, here and there is nothing to discuss. Flew in a hurry - buy paintings: D At the level of semantics that more than equal to the word "promotion". Hyped - and dumped on the market!

But there is also a cultural process. He has a different logic, another episteme. And the goals and objectives at the promoter is other (at least the priority - for sure:)). But the means are the same: confused: This process at the level of semantics more than conform to "promotion", "promotion".

In some ways.

The meaning of any ranking is to show the state is in a particular time.

Spor proishodit ot nedogovorionnosti v kategoriiah.

Kstati, kak tol'ko art, kartina poiavliaetsia na rynke, ona stanovitsia tovarom. U vseh tovarno-deneznyh otnoshenii odna shema. Mozno iulit 'i nazyvat' po-raznomu, chto suti ne meniaet.

Esteticheskie tsennosti is drugoi opery.
K sozaleniiu hudozniki chasto smeshivaiut v odnu kuchu esteticheskie i finansovye tsennosti.
Otsiuda voznikaet konflikt.

To Samvel:

Cto dlia vas opredeliaet horoshego hudoznika?

Typically, the buyer financial values take precedence over aesthetics.
Having the artist in the studio, he asks to show him something for sale.
The artist, of course, ready to sell anything and has already prepared a few things.
During a buyer begins mentally to figure that he took, but the appetite comes with eating. He asked to show something else, while admiring the paintings of the artist. That "melts" and proudly displays the fact that he did not want to sell, so-called "exhibition" of work (that's aesthetics!). Buyer understands that the last work better and begins to ask to sell them. The artist understands that the "spill the beans" and refuses to say that this exhibition of work. A buyer does not understand why he refused. His arguments are as follows: if the show-so sold. Gentlemen The artist is not a trader and not a gallery owner, and he did not us ... its work for the money.
That's the whole conflict between aesthetics and finances.

dedulya37,
I have not once encountered such. That's right.
But I think that this is not very correct behavior of the artist. He has such a profession - to create masterpieces that sell them. If it is, of course, part-time customs officer did not (Rousseau). Or a stockbroker (Gauguin).
In short, if it is a profession, not a hobby - it is necessary to write and sell. And so that does not erase the memory of creativity - is now seamlessly take pictures and even make copies, both on paper and on canvas. Similarities, especially in the case of on-wet watercolor, is such that I was forced to sign the word "copy" to avoid confusion:)
With work, for the artist's emblematic, for example, we are doing so: we sell, but with the obligation to provide for individual exhibitions. Also the normal version.

Yes, very easy and convenient.

To Samvel:

Cto dlia vas opredeliaet horoshego hudoznika?
                                                                                                                                                                                For me, if you are interested, the artist is one who does not know how not to write, despite the war, the difficulties of unsettled, etc. Poet one who just talks, but he turns out music. It always amazes me when someone spins the artist, and asked for a reparation. I understand that the majority disagrees with me. But I think that the one who spins, also gets a certain pleasure from this process. Well, let him receive reparation, but often, they want to get more than the artist himself at times.

o Samvel:
The worst thing to want to be better than you really are.

Chto takogo uzasnogo v samosovershenstvovanii?
Esli professional (hudoznik v ton chisle) ne hochet byt 'luchshe, dostich' chego-to novogo, ne sovershenstvuet svoiu tehniku, ne vyrabatyvaet novye metody - to on ostanavlivaetsia v razvitii i so vremenem perestaiot byt 'horoshim spetsialistom.

Professiia hudoznika ni chem ne otlichaetsia ot liubogo drugogo professionala.

Muchaiuschiisia hudoznik eto mif, nikto nikogo s pisoletom k golove ne zastavliaet byt 'hudoznikom. Eto vybor, im nado naslazdat'sia, kak iv liuboi drugoi spetsial'nosti.

Raskrutka - eto obyknovennyi marketing. Rabota eto interesnaia i vysokooplachevaemaia.
Kstati, proizvoditeli Nike poluchaiut 0,3%ot prodaznoi tseny, gorazdo skromnee po sravneniiu s 30 -50%hudozestvennyh gonorarov.

Napisat 'kartinu, eto kak rodit' rebionka, prosto rodit 'nedostatocho, nado vyrastit', vyholit ', vyuchit', i to resul'tat ne vsegda horoshii.

Prodolzim debat?


Kstati, zisn 'v Avstralii ochen' rasslablennaiia, gorazdo spokoinee chem v Moskve ili N'iu Yorke.
Oskala kapitalisma pochti ne vidno. Narod rasslablennyi, ne suetitsia.

To Dedulia: minuia dillera, za dorogo ne poluchitsia. Daze Hirst nachal samostoiatel'no posle raskrutki.
Kstati eto odna is problemm raboty na pervichnom rynke: kak gallerist delaet mnogoe dlia hudoznika; vystavki, publikatsii, predstavleniia, pristraivaet v kollektsii, i eto vsio ostaiotsia s hudoznikom navsegda. Esli hudoznik reshit pomeniat 'gallereiu, to vsie eti usiliia dlia gallerista - naprasnyi trud, kak by porabotal na blagosostoianie drugoi gallerei.

Kstati, lichno ia za bolee chem 15 let raboty v chetyreh stranah ni rasu ne podpisal ni odnogo kontrakta s hudoznikami. Vsegda na slove. Proboi byli, no nemnogo.

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To Dedulia - a moi hudozniki is masterskih nichego ne prodaiut, a esli takoe sluchaetsia, to s moego soglasiia, i moi protsent vsio ravno zanosiat.

Chasto prodazami is masterskih, hudozniki vrediat samim sebe.

Absolutely agree with you. All that you have described here about the actions of a dealer or gallery owner, in our country has made the state, provided that you have /had been a professional artist, that is, as you said,
  living on the fruits of their work. Only one catch was: the exhibition were educational, not commercial. And many very famous artists solo exhibitions were usually the exception. And only after a careful selection of works from several (dozen) exhibitions, the artist could not decide on the personal. But by the time he himself knew that he was from is.
Previously, even the concept was not "exhibition and sale.
As soon as the curtain fell, and all went: dealers, promoters, managers, curators, etc. I do not blame all this, so life is.
The only regret that disappeared from professional artists. Ridiculous, perhaps, Hurst asked to draw even a plaster head, painted by art school students in 5-6 grade. Poor? : confused:

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"Sema Brook overtook me on the whole circle
And they say Sema Brook - our Guinean friend
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He looked to me like he will run at minus thirty "(VS Vysotsky)