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Fantozzi 11.04.2013 22:07

Sorry, I'm not a numismatist and bookseller, and I suggest you go to the market - to see if the potatoes sold.
Still, we tried to talk about painting.
Good luck.

Кирилл Сызранский 11.04.2013 22:45

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I'm not a numismatist and bookseller , and I suggest you go to the market - to see if the potatoes sold .

Adjacent segments of the antique market , from trade paintings differ less from trade than potatoes , though , and mentioned " second-hand or numismatic auctions " as an example of good humor from there the participants. :)>

Самвел 11.04.2013 23:22

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The next global phenomenon - is the art of socialism

That the world is not only painting, a theater , and film it , music, ballet , and all that is connected with art and culture, it is a separate layer is unlike anything that was going on in the world. Incidentally realistic art of the Soviet period is also not the correct name of the topic. Realistic nothing to do with .

Кирилл Сызранский 11.04.2013 23:31

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 2551821)
This world is not just art, it's theater, it's cinema, music, ballet, and all that is connected with art and culture

Literature!

Soviet authors, readers, Samvel?
:D>

Самвел 11.04.2013 23:36

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2551831)
Literature!

And literature in particular.

Кирилл Сызранский 11.04.2013 23:59

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Сообщение от Samvel ; 2551841"
, and literature in particular .

Well, the literature is clear. :)>
But here's the theater and ballet.
You, for example , drama and ballet performances , and if we now can see , only in writing and only some of Moscow and Leningrad .
How can you say something about the Soviet theater and ballet?
Vizbora song to remember? as well as in ballet we are ahead of the rest. ( a ) :D>

About the movie do not ask , I understand that you all day long , see " The Girls" and Spring on Zarechnaya street. "
When spring comes, I do not know
Rains , snow descend .
But you tell me, my own street ,
And in bad weather road .
( a ) :D>

Самвел 12.04.2013 00:09

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You, for example , drama and ballet performances , and if we now can see , only in writing and only some of Moscow and Leningrad .
How can you say something about the Soviet theater and ballet ?

I do not have to watch them , I never in my life have been in the theater , except for one single time in Karabakh, when I went there , I was just forced to go with my grandmother , and ballet seen on TV a couple of times , I did not like , I do not I love men who jump and hit his feet, and then theirs odeyanie.eto not mine, but that does not stop me know that they did in the ballet were ahead of the rest . I have a theater begins in the morning when I first met in the elevator of the guest. You might think that someone is going to the theater or ballet , it goes there , something to see a show? I have to disappoint you , 99%, go there , something to learn from someone else , or speak . Yes, that's what, in the movies , too, was a long time ago , also in Karabakh in Soviet times, when it was chic to get a ticket to the Indian cinema, the type of place and the law.

Кирилл Сызранский 12.04.2013 00:37

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You probably think that someone is going to the theater or ballet , it goes there , something to see a show? I have to disappoint you , 99%, go there , something to learn from someone else , or speak .

Well, thank you for enlightened ... :)>
I confess that I did not know such things , although he worked in theaters and in secret will tell you , the first education I am the director. Thank God, the popular theater. :p>
Is not it time , my friends, we threaten on William , you know, uh, our Shakespeare ? ( c) :D>

Самвел 12.04.2013 00:43

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2551911)
I confess I did not know these things, even though he worked in theaters and in secret will tell you, the first education I am the director.
Thank God, the popular theater.

I also confess to you in confidence that this is not strictly necessary to know the filmmakers, the more popular theater.

манна 12.04.2013 01:54

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 2550291)
helps it to work (directly engaged in the business), affect their reputation earned over the years. There is no need any alluvial flattering words, it is not happening, but when you see an unfair impact, then in their own ways have influence, not to lay claims to have a negative influence on a new generation of collectors and gatherers. It is there to do artificial intervention, helping the process, not only focused treatment period, but in all directions. I asked you to remove the sales price, studies that I bought, because it interferes with the artist, I do not (. Though I really would have been nice), but just the memory and the name of the artist.

Samvel, you can ask the seller to remove the price (unless of course the 3 (?) Days have not passed, during which you can edit the message).
 This claim is, should be forwarded to the seller. Who prevents write rates in l /s.? Or just a "cheap" (expensive-cheap ... everyone has their own idea, the main figure not).

 In essence, TS "Raids" on sov.zhiv. I agree with you in principle, it is necessary to comply with corporate interests .... but! and you did not write that Nalbandian Tselkov my favorite Nesterov untwisted it is not clear that when your Yablonskaya for "penny" is not sold out .... and you will keep his own "song" of the promotion, customers tasteless, "dying on the vine" this art, etc.
You do not like these artists, accordingly you they do not much versed, well, then you should not share their speculation with a wider audience ...

PS: Do you have good sketches. But even if it's full image without half a liter is not immediately define what the artist (or absolutely have to be a pro.) These landscapes all look the same ... And let Tselkov -'s eye recognizable. For me it is important to the artist.
 
PPP: Tselkov is not "my" artist. It is for me too active. I do not have, but it interesting to anyone ...

PPS: All cycles .... "fashion" will return to the socialist realism (not for long), the main "reserves" to catch the next generation of collectors fold ... ;)> :)> :D>

Самвел 12.04.2013 07:39

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In fact, TS "Raids" on sov.zhiv. I agree with you in principle, it is necessary to comply with corporate interests .... but! and you did not write that Nalbandian Tselkov my favorite Nesterov untwisted it is not clear that when your Yablonskaya for "penny" is not sold out .... and you will keep his own "song" of the promotion, customers tasteless, "dying on the vine" this art, etc.
You do not like these artists, accordingly you they do not much versed, well, then do not share his speculation with a wide audience ...

I'm still in the topic where you called me and balabolit talker, wrote to you, that my comments on the artists, it's only response is much correct. I was defended with the same weapons, who attacked me on that-be attacker could feel it for yourself and see how you have felt it, since I still can not forget it. Even now you can not do this correctly. You write (your Yablonsky and for pennies.) If you have written (not sold Yablonskaya), then that is another matter, but since you are writing as writing, I will answer you the same way that Nesterov's not a bad artist, but the price her "80%", it is her promotion and its real price is less "80%." Tselkov generally severe case here and talk about. If purchased for studies 10-100%, as anything else can attach, or sell, who bought Tselkova for tens of thousands of dollars, then turn into a tragedy. A bouquet Nalbandian sold at Sotheby's, is a mockery.
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Сообщение от manna; 2551951"
: Do you have good sketches. But even if it's full image without half a liter is not immediately define what the artist (or absolutely have to be a pro.) These landscapes are all on one person

This is not mine, I'm just working in the gallery, and felt that these studies can be sold, with the great advantage that's all. I understand that this is not masterpieces, but only high quality studies made from nature. If tomorrow Tselkova.za offered the money I'll buy too, knowing that it will not quite fit, but there are people who will buy them expensive. It's just earnings. There should be no preference. Imagine open shop products, and sell only what you like to eat and drink?

Vladimir 12.04.2013 07:46

The problem with this argument is that it has become abstract. The best way to defend your position - to name names , recommendations novice investors . What artists of Soviet realist art today are undervalued and are promising in terms of investment ? In the initial price range. And then the people themselves will understand and decide.

Fed 12.04.2013 07:57

For this there is a simple way , want to open Wikipedia, Socialist Realism . Prescribe authors. Then look through the list of auction giants London. They all have a thought.
The market for all these thoughts somehow answered. In many cases, considerable zeros.
Compare the picture of what happened ( and liquidity) to local prices. And forth. Buy the most undervalued .

P.S. Tselkov not fit into the theme. He immigrant, and it is always better for the price . If there is a realism owls. a period of some famous emigrant west, it is a self- preferred to purchase.

Vladimir 12.04.2013 08:04

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This is a simple way , want to open Wikipedia, Socialist Realism . Prescribe authors. Then look through the list of auction giants London. They all have a thought.
The market for all these thoughts somehow answered. In many cases, considerable zeros.
Compare the picture of what happened ( and liquidity) to local prices. And forth. Buy the most undervalued .

From novice collectors should not talk in riddles. The proposed path involves a lot of research for an experienced person in many ways . In all this , and rests. Of social realism in our talk a lot and often, but I can not remember any interesting publication with tips , prices, specific examples. Maybe with this start?

Кирилл Сызранский 12.04.2013 08:32

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What artists Soviet realist art today are undervalued and are promising in terms of investment?

So the "defenders of Soviet Art" have said: you do (pritivniki this art, AI workers, " authoritative forum members ") to blame, that the works of artists of the "Soviet period" bad buy. :)>

Rasskruchivaete "their" formalist modernist all immigrants, "the fifth column", all these Steinberg-Schwarzmann-Spindler, where Russian and where our birch trees, churches, rivers, prairies, mountains and fields?

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and then look through the list of auction giants London. They all have a thought.
The market for all these thoughts somehow answered. In many cases, considerable zero.

 I did once simpler russtih looked at auction in Sotheby's, Christie's catalogs lots of works of the Soviet period, and even wrote about it here:

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So, Sotheby's.
"Unofficial":
Infante - three lots sold one - l.310 - 61 250;
Krasnopevtsev - 3 lots, sold everything l.313 - 40 850, l.333 - 25 000 334 - 49 250;
M. Shvartsman - l.314 - 79 250;
Masterkova - l.315 - 37,250
Zverev - two lots - 316 and 317 of 12 500 each;
Tselkov - Both lots are sold;
Weisberg - 5 lots, 4 sold - l.323 - 49 250, l.324 - 229 250 (!) L.325 - no, l.326 - 37 250, l.327 - 10 65;
Sitnikov - 4 lots, sold 2 - l.330 - 43 250, l.331 - 31 250;
Brewers - l. 332 - 20 000;
Bulatov - sold one of the two - l.335 - 20 000;
Nemukhin - l. 340 - 103 250;
Nesterov - l.341 - 27 500;
Komar /Melamid - l.345 - 82 850;
Zhyvotkov - l.347 - 10,000
Macs - l.349 - 5000;
Kulik - l.350 - 20 000.;

The "official":
Ishmametov - no;
Yablonskaya - 12 500 (see Maintenance Zverev lots);
Gerasimov - 22 500;
Antipov - 38 450.
And the two still lifes of the 26th -
Pimenov - 181 250;
Nalbandian - 175 250.

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and Christie's:
Vasiliev - $ 59,675 (here give prices in USD);
Tselkov - 203 855;
Shablavin -24 00;
Sitnikov - 51,985;
Plavinsky - 78,899;
Nemukhin - 59,675;
Eagles - 3204;
Rabin - 20 025.



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