I am a little not so see it. To sell, gallery, painting a trading (without exhibits, I call such institutions salons) is not necessarily right away to give money. Took to implement - sold and earned, not sold - returned the artist picture.
In this case, too, may be different. You take the artist's contract, paying him the agreed amount each month. Artist agrees to a month to produce two or three conventional picture and give you. You put the money in advance - in the end at the competent promotion and a monthly "salary" by the contract conditional - $ 1,000 for the required 2.3 pictures, you can sell these paintings at $ 3,000 per unit.

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Why do we need to narrow the meaning of the word "dealer" - you wrote that a good artist to be "the same" as I understand, this is not one, not two. If by dealers understand traders, sellers, and all those who wish to make a work, then yes. And if this person is directly involved in promotion and artist puts into his own money, it is unlikely he will want the artist collaborated with someone else.

This gallery you describe the work or the cabin.
A dealer always is selling his .

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A lot of different schemes.

We have people running around the city that offer strange images. They are called dealers :)>

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Cyril Syzran, you correctly apply the concept of "dealer" - (distributor , seller) - is an individual or entity that buys its own expense wholesale company products ( Artist ) and sells it at retail or small wholesale ( from Wikipedia). We have already started to apply this concept in everyday life is much wider and a wider range of people .

It is not correct you in their name.
This is the "sliders".
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I think that only in this case, that is, buying the work of the author, and is promoted with his sense. Because money is usually the promo even exceed the money spent on the acquisition of paintings. And if you do not own the picture, what sense to invest - money, time, labor, and the soul as well? That is, it is theoretically possible, but it's certainly not a business.
On the topic of "who cheated," then no one and anyone. If successful, will earn both at the dealer, probably more. In case of failure - it's f Business - will suffer only a dealer, the artist, in any event "insurance" already has: money from the sale of the dealer, and promotions. In my opinion, this is true in both versions of events. Who is the greatest danger, he gets more.
If the artist is great, then sell it all himself. Although, as history shows, the artist without a dealer strategically always the loser.

Interestingly, notice whether someone else besides me that, since office 42 is with the entry iosif and the topic, also joined Vivian, and then Cyril Syzran and the theme is such an interesting professional tint, and I am very pleased because for a long time on the forum did not have such an exciting debate :)> I think it is normal that the active hudozhnichki with their "Spasibki" evaporated, and rightly so, why encourage discussion when it's not about them, loved ones, and hated about the dealers and gallery owners who do not want them promoted with free and make a dollar millionaire :D>

Yes, indeed. We for example are working with artists through exhibitions, and shows no buy out the work, which could increase our prestige, and successfully complete a collection or for which we have clients. Sometimes it also happens that has not yet decided whether to work with the artist on an ongoing basis and take him a couple of works on the implementation, we look for yourself, show (show off) to our customers. All this is accompanied by our articles and printed materials. Who said that we should only work in one style?
Absolutely agree. Paradoxically, the fact that most dealers understand and minority artists.

And this is despite a coordinate plane with the watch.
If the terms of artrynka, then when the dealers will be ten times more than the artist, while artist is really more important than the dealer.
And if from the perspective of the history of art, the artist he is, of course, is more important than the dealer, but in the end, you still may be more important than the artist, who was a dealer for.
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iside, in my uneducated opinion, there is no antagonism between the dealer and the artist (unless one of them - or both - rogue :)>). They may be friends or not, but they need each other. Just, again, need technology that helps people stay honest. It has long been invented - the contractual relationship in which things are not only strict, but reasonable. And you can certainly pozloslovit about the artist, who waved his brush - and you tyscha bucks. And about a dealer who does not even waving - and for you five tysch. But we also understand that all this nonsense. Everyone has their own labor, printsipalno replaceable.
I know in their own skin. As a writer I promotes EKSMO, despite the fact that I like as a specialist in the promo. Well, not himself promoted with yourself! It is psychologically unrealistic. Exceptions - we all know them - only prove the rule.
That's why I'm not offended when one of pathos published the first novel I paid 8 (vosem!) thousand. And it is not dollars and rubles! This is less than the cost of an hour of my advice. But I got a pathetic label, the yield on the shelves of bookstores and some confidence.
When the first contract was completed, the next already were other figures, too, though still small.
In short, it's not two sides of the barricades, and the same. And those who do not understand, reduces its effectiveness as a creator and a specialist.

iosif, all you are right, in full agreement with all of your vyskazvaniyami , and in older subjects you are very valuable things to say .

That last quote , which I led , perhaps it is the key to how I see the situation , to me, unfortunately , come across talented artists, but with a complete lack of understanding of what promotion, presentation - it is also labor and skill thank God, if they are without any delusions about his greatness on a global scale . In part, this is certainly due to the fact that I have such a region . :(>

iside, I think this is normal, if the artist believes in his planetary greatness . If you do not believe , do not paint transfer fig . For example, I sincerely believe that I am a poet of genius . As a writer - just talented , but as a poet - genius :)>.
Another thing that you need to build relationships wisely. If the artist does not understand the need for a dealer , you should try to objectively explain the essence of their work. Very specifically , it is better with numbers. And it is advisable not to lie.
If you do not understand , you do not have to be imposed , let him work himself . Although usually a different story : on average once a week , sometimes two , before unknown artists to seek cooperation. Some are very nice to me , but because of the approach has to refuse : I just do not pull are new or materially or physically . Although often looked with pleasure, and possibly consult.
In general, creative people need a warm word of more than bankers , traders , or even cats . Well, then do not deny them this , since we still work with those whose work we love.

Three occupational disease of the artist - "squirrel", "zhabochka", "star".
 
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Send me your poems in a personal, I'll tell you who you really are.


Fear not, the truth will tell.

Of course , the friendship between the artist and the dealer gives a fruitful result . But I would extend this chain to another and the buyer. The friendship between the dealer and the buyer as a buyer vazhna.Esli am feeling that you are not vtyuhivaete his work, and participate in its purchase worthy, then he will come to you again and again. I often discourage customers from buying , even if it's me at the moment is advantageous if know in advance that his decision to buy is wrong and soon it razocheruet . So it is with the price , I know that gallerists false PR clocked and sold work regular customers, which it then asked to re-sell to someone else and they were forced to buy it themselves , that would not spoil the deal further .

And maybe (just in UTB valuable time they have other priorities? (Prsonalki there any, bienalki .. etc. .... etc. ... of a series of "A")
And in a tone of artists (ALL) respond extremely unprofessional (IMHO) (bet you, iside, "on view" (C)
Imagine, what if it's true, "someone to do free hudozhnichka dollar millionaire" (c), and your derogatory and pearls remain in-HETE in perpetuity, "nevyrublennye ax?"
And anyway, what do you feel when you write sharpness and boldness? Satisfaction?
Heat? (Or, "schaste"?) ;)>
And most importantly, why you "friction", misunderstandings, conflicts? Be slightly more tolerant (and you reach for the artists themselves!)
ps Your highly respected gallery owner (the one with the Cyrillic alphabet was unable to learn and resorted to morally unscrupulous manipulation), it turns out perekvalifisirovalsya (or related professions mastered?) Is now the director (private) employment agencies ...
Maybe you try to follow his example? (Only "thought aloud" any advice!) :)>

Have incorrect information . :)>

Very strange , " thought aloud " about the professional reorientation unfamiliar to you man ... Do not you think?
You are , I hope there will not " think aloud" about the changes the family status , such as members of the forum or to change with the help of plastic surgery , for example, nose or ears?
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A typical example of Leopold Zborovskiy.Emu so enjoyed painting by Modigliani, he busied himself with it in all the shops Marchand , describing its strengths and uniqueness , hired models and gave their homes to work hudozhnika.On was a friend of Modigliani, an admirer of his talent. large money he does not work, but was one of those who produce the great painter Modigliani was entered into istoriyu.Bolshie money received after the death of others Zbo As evidence of the friendship can be seen Modigliani words on his deathbed, addressed Zbarouski " Take care of Soutine. . " This is true only faithful friend .