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Игорь Гурьев 01.07.2010 23:12


Кирилл Сызранский 01.07.2010 23:14

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1170752)
I would add: from the margin vychitayutyas is transportation costs, the costs of examination, meals and so on.

Yes, embedded from the resulting subtracted and the dry residue and has a margin.

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 1170742)
look like a decently is not necessary, you can usually look like

That's funny, Samvel. :D

Fantozzi 01.07.2010 23:20

It seems to me that the concept of margin is not quite acceptable for the art-business (selling art). It's more a matter of (let's call it so) than a business that is subject to two factors -1. fashion 2.Kto on that fuse.
1. Fashion. Generation 60's today collects all - classic Russian avant-garde, etc. What will collect Generation 80 - nobody knows. Maybe pictures for I-Pod.
2. Who is on that fuse. There are 3 people in Russia who are buying Roerich. Over the last 5 years prices for his departed on 5-6-7 times. Apparently these three, someone decided to postpone purchases. Prices have fallen, that felt the auctions. Roerich was much smaller.
 We're not talking about the producers of brushes and erasers. There are antique dealers and gallery owners. So it all depends on their personal "greed". Therefore, the "margin" in all its own. Who 50, who has 100 or 200, that another business is practically impossible (competitors will eat).

Кирилл Сызранский 01.07.2010 23:38

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Сообщение от Fantozzi (Сообщение 1170792)
So it all depends on their personal "greed". Therefore, the "margin" in all its own. Who 50, who has 100 or 200, that another business is practically impossible (competitors will eat).

We speak not of the magnitude of the margin, but about what it is.

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Сообщение от Fantozzi (Сообщение 1170792)
I think that the concept of margin is not quite acceptable for the art-business (selling art).

This is why.
I bought it at auction thing. Invested. Work with her: the restoration, to take the expertise, the road there /here, picked up the frame-invest another. Sold and the proceeds of the mentally calculated the attachment, ie, all spending. The rest I can margin call, Navarro, profit, etc.
And I did not call, just to figure out: How much I had accumulated at this thing on this whole negotsii.

Fantozzi 01.07.2010 23:39

I would like to add.

Кирилл Сызранский 01.07.2010 23:40


Fantozzi 01.07.2010 23:41

Navar - completely agree.

Игорь Гурьев 01.07.2010 23:44

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Сообщение от Fantozzi (Сообщение 1170792)
I think that the concept of margin is not quite acceptable for the art-business (selling art). It's more a matter of (let's call it so) than a business that is subject to two factors -1. fashion 2.Kto on that fuse.

Aivazovsky /Makovsky /Semiradsky loved and always will love.

Other - as luck.

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There are gallery owners and antique dealers.
Better - galerniki.

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So it all depends on their personal "greed". Therefore, the "margin" in all its own. Who 50, who has 100 or 200
Well, I do not think that you were so naive.
At 200 no galernik not survive.
You have any idea how much to pay overhead costs for the content of the gallery?


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, that another business is practically impossible (competitors will eat).
It is even possible and universal development.

The shopkeeper buys vegetables for 2 francs, sold for 8 - 600 percent margin.

And for ovoschetorgovtsev - it normalnaya margin.

The same applies to Microsoft: you, I hope, Ward pirate?

What is its cost and how much he asked the robbers from comrade. B. Gates?

Кирилл Сызранский 01.07.2010 23:56

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Сообщение от Fantozzi (Сообщение 1170852)
works (eg Dubossarsogo and Vinogradov), which sold for sotenku, now stand dvatsatochku.

This year?
In this "dvadtsatochku", or rather 19 200 GBP, cost a thing on paper.
But in fact until the auction this year was 6 lots of the duo.
Sales see 2: this paper Back to Nature at Bonhams, e and a large In the Blue Yonder at Phillips De Pury for 37,250 GBP.

Fantozzi 02.07.2010 00:00

Mr Guriev! I am a new man on your forum, so it can not immediately can "hack his way" in the local sense of humor.
Where to buy grocer, and sells for 2 to 8 I do not know. Likewise, I neizvesno why someone who sells it to 2, can not sell himself to the people for 4 and how much is actually a vegetable if it sits at 2%margin of 600?
Well not the point.
It's not even in the margin, and fat profits. The essence of the other. If the business (as far as I know from personal experience), the desired net profit campaign (after paying all just) can not be below 25%. This indicator allows the campaign to develop and invest in yourself. In this "case" - this rule does not work.
The content of the gallery is the same as the contents of near equal standing store on the square, just a shop to sell many products, and a gallery owner may sell the same job for three months, with more than get fat store. The cost of things usually determined only by the gallery owner and his desire. If he sees that the man "hick" and "Provisional Government" he vesch with fat in 1000%.


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