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Питер-С 09.03.2014 22:22

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Сообщение от khmelev (Сообщение 3047221)
and how many in your catalog ciphers , which were exhibited in the hall ? <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
And how many of the pictures described in the catalog?
And - absolutely seriously - remind the date of vyystavki . If you walked through the halls and noted some Guzhavin sketch , it really dates something to remember

No, of course no date can not remember. What kind of work I was interested in them and I said - be sure to write after the holidays. Now I'm in the country ... <! - 8 ~ ~ ->

Питер-С 11.03.2014 22:45

" The exhibition of the collection of Boris Okuneva " in the Russian Museum .
( If anyone is interested in hearing more ... )
Katalozhik (small booklet in a thin cover) was published in 1986. Ruble was worth twenty. Accordingly, the exhibition he had sold . I remember that the show was in the " parade " halls - now it Fedotov halls , etc. After logging - left. Phryne before . I remember very well that at the entrance stood an easel with a portrait B.Okuneva . Although I am now listing counted about 340 exhibits, in reality it was somewhere around 100 . , MB less. I marked 14 , which attracted special attention . Among them, I marked and work B.Grigoreva - cardboard " Paris Cafe " and canvas "Girl with a can " ... that is, they exhibited at ...
Strange that nobody remembers . The exhibition was very resonant .

khmelev 12.03.2014 05:52

as cardboard or paper?
In the catalog of 1986 is written - paper.
And you write - cardboard.

Artem 12.03.2014 19:34

Case Basner: businessman Vasiliev responded to our publication
 
Case Basner : businessman Vasiliev responded to our publication

03/12/2014

Last week we published an interview with art historian V. Pushchin sensational case of selling fake paintings garde Grigorieva kollektsionere Vasiliev - to accuse him of fraud critic Elena Basner . The reaction to this material was extensive . In particular, it responded to the victim Andrey Vasilyev.

           Thank God that friends Elena Basner woke up from their slumber and began to defend it . I 'm with Mr. Zolotonosov in periodic telephone conversation , so we certainly do stuff ... when the time comes .

A relative of the published " City 812 " I want to give some comments . It is strange that the moral standards advocated anonymous . No critic Pushchina not exist in nature . This lady , and intonation features easily calculated .
However - her business.

It is curious that the vast material that describes the vicissitudes of the criminal case of fraud at $ 250 000 does not mention the word "money" , except for the introductory paragraph . Outsider reader would conclude that we are talking about some academic dispute , in which one of the participants went to jail . Something like Galileo. But this is an obvious lie.

Another example of guile . " Victor Leo " wrote: " Elena Basner was convinced and still rest assured that the picture brought her in the summer of 2009, Aronson and she looked authentic. Anyway , no one contrary is proved . "

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It should be noted that two weeks with little to selling me this she went out with expertise Grabar Center undoubted certificate forgery. And this fact was just hidden. Then he went to study belt , where it was noted that it was a fake , which could be performed only with the original. Which, incidentally , is stored in the belt in the vaults . Then this picture took two more independent judicial examination. But Ms. Basner still " rest assured ", as almost hagiographic concludes " Leo ."

Or here is a snippet : "Besides Vasiliev announced that the painting" The restaurant "from the collection in Okuneva belt carefully hid and did not show even Tamara Galeeva , the author of a monograph on Boris Grigoriev . Just recently , on February 18 this year , she Galeeva this conspiracy does not confirm approval Vasilyeva - her picture showed . That is hard Vasilev creates criminal plot by lies. "

Let me quote from a letter I Galeeva Tamara , dated June 11, 2011 and sent by the response received from the pictures me : " Send me all the details and specifications of work , and, if possible , the expertise and Grabar Russian Museum. As I recall, in the belt was no such thing - maybe, they did not so long ago bought ? "

Separate subject presentation Mr. " Pushin ' about ethics expert activity : " Actually, the non-disclosure of names of participants of the transaction is the basis of its confidentiality. So accepted . That is, the names of experts buyers do not ask the mediators and mediators are not called . Such is the usual ethics in relationships . "
Maybe this "ethics" and go to the place where Mr. functions " Pushin ', but competent expert opinion , it seems to me , is not accepted to hide in any kind of activity . Especially that Ms. Basner just did not act as a specialist , and was a common member of the trading chain. And strictly classified. Ie by definition, no expert was not.

But the most amazing thing - it started disincarnation Mr. Aronson : "The investigation and might ask . As well as by Aronson : if he is not a front face , the owner whether he works Grigorieva , whether it came Aronson , not a man who identified himself as Aronson , who for Aronson , possibly hiding ? But why is this honesty Aronson and all his acts is now responsible Basner ? "

Something tells me that it is of interest to Mr. Aronson investigation and led to the arraignment, Ms. Basner . However, this is only speculation .
It is not necessary , however, to mourn Aronson . Journalist confidence returns it to the living world : "I have received independent confirmation that the summer of 2009, Aronson came to St. Petersburg and many reported paintings ."

That's really interesting. Can I apply for questioning to ascertain the names of these "many" ?
In this publication are plenty of judgments egregious comment about the need , but probably elsewhere.

And I I achieve only one thing - an open and public trial . But we somehow court is synonymous with condemnation, commercial mediation called expertise , and implementation of the legal rights of the injured , some obviously believe violence. How to live with ?
But despite this outrageous " killer" in the context of it, in my opinion, in the singular , and there is a deep meaning. Elena Basner really threatened. But not from me and not from the Investigative Committee , and from the people who brought her a fake picture and that for some reason it has been carefully preserved . Their freedom and well-being depend on it . That's just scary ...
Andrey Vasilyev

« I'm interested in a passage from a letter Andrey Vasilyev ...»

I'm interested in a passage from a letter Andrey Vasilyev - that Tamara Galeeva ( Ph.D., Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Cultural Studies , Ural State University , author of the book "Boris Dmitrievich Grigoriev ") had not seen the painting " restaurant " in the belt .

Here is a letter from Tamara Galeeva February 18, 2014 :
"<... > I must admit I do not know where Vasiliev took that I have not shown this work in the timing - I think we talked about this with him said . She , indeed, was not included in my album , but not because I did not know about it , but because the publisher could not get it to slide . In the original list has been publishing work . Obviously , the Russian Museum asked for a decent amount of each slide , and the publisher had to abandon a number of works , including from this.

As for the work itself , I 've seen it myself in the collections of graphics , obviously, in the mid -1980s ( not found in the archive exact date - I'm in funds belt worked repeatedly ) . I then all drawings Grigorieva kindly showed keeper graphics - seems E. Selizarova . True, Selizarova told me that as long as the work is not published by the museum , I can not publish them . What I calmed down . "
Letter T. Galeeva , dated February 19, 2014 :

"<... > I have read through the material in the magazine" City 812 "- how it 's awful! Relatively Vasiliev. We were , indeed, corresponded with the work , but I did anything bad about the Russian museum and its staff did not write . And even more so this story that I have not shown the work - is he so interpreted my words. In my last letter Vasilyev about work, I wrote that the collection Okuneva saw a long time and I do not remember , looked like cardboard " café ." I only complained that Russian Museum did not want to draw me to the organization of the exhibition , but the will of the museum , so to speak . This concludes our chat over ( it was June 11, 2011 ) .

The third letter - from March 5, 2014
" It must be remembered that I forgot because the job that saw her almost thirty years ago in the pre-digital age , I have not had a chance to take a picture ."
TG "

Michael Zolotonosov ,

http://www.online812.ru/2014/03/12/008/

khmelev 12.03.2014 20:22

a mysterious picture . Author only monograph on Grigoriev can not get pictures p.ch. museum asks for a lot of money with publisher ... then remember , you do not remember.
Logic dictates that if they did a clone, not in 80 years , but just in the middle of zero when prices were tempting .

Кирилл Сызранский 12.03.2014 21:01

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Сообщение от khmelev (Сообщение 3053971)
Logic dictates that if they made a clone, not in 80 years, but just in the middle of zero when prices were tempting.

I also think.

What 80s?
No, it is that the 2000s and, in my opinion, 5th - 7th year, if not the eighth.

khmelev 12.03.2014 21:04

Incidentally, the publisher of monographs Galeeva Grigoriev - Leonid Shumakov - lucky intermediary in the sale of fake Grigorieva.

K-Maler 12.03.2014 23:23

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Сообщение от khmelev; 3053971 "
Author only monograph on Grigoriev can not get pictures p.ch. museum asks for a lot of money with publisher ... then remember , you do not remember.

For each item stored in the museum Starts graph " ledger " , where all the figures of painted and put numbers: who when and why he took the subject when he returned . Always signature primary custodian. Here it is necessary to ask and ...
Especially the question of restoration. This should be specified in the " ledger " . Or any records , except to the collection belt receiving no . Then this - picture has not legally requested . Otherwise - a violation of the rules of museum storage. Since memory can refuse : amnesia, the man was gone , etc.

khmelev 13.03.2014 08:30

I have a hypothetical assumption that no such a violent manifestation of the criminal case , no check in the belt would not have happened without finding kakih-nibud grave violations of these same ledger .
  But in fact, if this is so , then realized the most conspiratorial fantasy times " Gangster Petersburg " . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Питер-С 16.03.2014 08:45

Yesterday was shown proshlonedelnaya program "Vesti . Duty " with some updates.
1. Clearly E.Basner gives no indication. ( Not only journalists ... ) Perhaps this is the right thing for her to ruin the deal .
2 . Do E.Basner now more lawyers than one.
3 . A new work in the hands of fake A.Vasileva obtained in the same manner from L.Shumakova - E.Basner ( N.K.Kalmakov "Awakening" )
4 . " The number of suspects narrows ."
5 . M.Aronsona , whom everyone called Aranson time no one has yet seen.
6. The emphasis in the story shifted toward catching the artist (s) who forges paintings .

PS:
M.Zolotonosov journalist , whom I still think is the best " writer" for our theme here and here (... without popliteal ) yesterday awarded the " Golden Pen of 2013 " in nomination" Interview of the year " for the material " build, build , and finally upset ».


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