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Posav 11.02.2010 00:18

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 905582)
And what?
Photograph beautiful people do not find fault means a country and people? A beautiful photograph meant to reflect the truth of life?

Should be a balance to reflect the truth. Here you fragmentarily shown only photos of empty shelves and could give the impression that the history of the Soviet Union is only empty shelves and nothing more.

Кирилл Сызранский 11.02.2010 00:37

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 905602)
might get the impression that the history of the Soviet Union is only empty shelves and nothing more.

Even camp watchtowers and a military parade on Red Square with communist leaders at the mausoleum.

Vladimir 11.02.2010 00:37

Artist - not a politician. Balancing is not required. It is even harmful. Let the shows that seemed to him personally interesting and sincere. Imagine a politically correct balance the Rembrandt?

NATA NOVA 11.02.2010 00:44

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 905682)
Imagine a politically correct balance the Rembrandt?

Yeah, still be apolitical in Leonardo's example would lead ...

Posav 11.02.2010 00:49

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 905682)
artist - not a politician. Balancing is not required.

So I write about documentary photography.

Konstantin 11.02.2010 01:28

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Lev Rubinstein! This is a lie and nonsense, what you write! Photo coverage, showing the life of the ordinary man in the USSR, and just as it is in fact, was much more than now. This photo showing the real lives of real people!
At these words from the message number 8 I also brought pictures showing the life of the ordinary man in the USSR.

And only those shelves and were in most stores. But it is a conversation with a deaf mute, blind, very tired, which live in the past all the time? It was fine, so what?

Posav 11.02.2010 01:42

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You can take pictures and so

Tamila 11.02.2010 10:49

That's what I like about this topic :mad: is the fact that no one leaves the captions - neither the author nor the names or links!
Dear Tjutchev in the beginning of the topic can be found in the sample photos 1960-'70s - and no signatures. And because there were photos of Oleg Makarov, Vsevolod Tarasevich and many others! Where is the respect for the author?

Posav 13.02.2010 12:35

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Photographer, even making a seemingly standard photographs can convey their attitude to what is happening, love or not love, criticism or podkovyrku power can beat the money for grants.
That seems to be similar photos of everyday life east of children, but on the other. From photos I do not know.
Children of Palestine:

Евгений 13.02.2010 14:02

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 912092)
photographer, even doing a standard type of photography can convey their attitude to what is happening, love or not love, criticism or podkovyrku power

Dear, are you talking about?, Here's some pochitayte.Mozhet draw a couple of pictures or glory?
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Uzbekistan: Chronicles the life of the colony "death" Dzhaslyk

Several friends and relatives of prisoners have been in custody of their relatives who are serving at this time sentences for their religious beliefs. Parents who visited the place, saw for themselves what acts of inhumanity committed to their relatives employees of Internal Affairs of Uzbekistan. Closely acquainted with the situation, they went to complain to higher authority for detention in custody. Arguably, the parents in prisons and labor colonies of Uzbekistan from the staff allowed to breach of law and legal norms of the republic. According to parents, supervisors aforementioned institutions punish prisoners with the use of mental and physical torture. Most of these are subjected to torture those prisoners who have been sentenced to long terms, "the serving of the sentence in the areas of strict and intensive treatment.

They refused everything, even the most elementary things, allowed vnutrityuremnymi rules. According to the mothers of prisoners have been in prison Dzhaslyk in zones under the Karshi and Navoi, Uzbekistan's prisons are out of all control. Relatives of prisoners, greatly concerned for the health of their loved ones. As they passed, in these institutions in Uzbekistan the number of cases of tuberculosis, hemorrhoids, and other serious illnesses with each passing day grows exponentially and, moreover, the recent sharp increase in the number of deaths and killings of prisoners staff the institutions mentioned above.

For inquiries and complaints from parents about the prevention of violations and apply appropriate penalties for perpetrators of violations of law referred to those higher authorities did not give a specific answer or refuse to communicate with relatives of prisoners.

Said Ozod Rafikova, a doctor by profession from Bukhara, the mother of the prisoner, myself have been in prison Dzhaslyk:

- Now, to get to Dzhaslyk, you need to go to the following route: to get to Nukus and then to Kungirata. In Kungirate to catch a train Kungirat-Denov, which runs once a day. If, somehow, you have time on it, then you are lucky, and if not, then you need to wait for the next flight, coming only a day later. After landing at the station Dzhaslyk, you will be greeted on the spot, Internal Affairs officers and assign a "hotel". Whether you like it or not - it does not matter to them. You have to stay there a day or two.

This time I asked them about that, why you should stay in this hotel, why not just go to jail, so why torture people, some of that is the reason?

As they explained this "hotel" belongs to the zone, and to maintain its required finance. That way they earn their money by demanding from each person in a thousand soums (ekvivaletno $ 1).

It was at this point begin insults at friends and relatives of prisoners: "the mother of a terrorist", "father of a terrorist" if they are to the same religion, and women dressed in headscarves, then they begin to look with such hatred and contempt that I it seems difficult for a man endure such humiliating treatment.

- I do not know how in other places of detention, but in Dzhaslyke, after September 11, the state has deteriorated sharply. As you know, in this prison, visited the commission of the International Red Cross, met on site with the state prison. After the visit, there was at least some sort of "weakening" of torture by the guards, but since January this year all came back to square one. In prison again introduced the same situation.

According Ozod Rafikova in Dzhaslyke contains approximately 480 prisoners. Warden is a kind Kulembetov every way taunting and torturing prisoners.

That's what this says about itself Rafikova:

- We, a group of mothers who arrived in mid-July (July 15-17) in prison Dzhaslyk met the prison itself, some Kulembetov. It is impossible to convey in words how he humiliated and insulted us! Kulembetov was in a rage, went out of his mouth these words, that just crawl fled!

"If you want your kids - you have me take them dead! All die here like dogs! "- He said all parents, who arrived in prison. As we know, he took all the prisoners receipts which read: "I have betrayed the motherland," "I am against the current government", "I hate all the people", "We refuse to meet with their parents," We renounce them. " When we asked why they had done so, they answered: "if we had not done so, they are instead of us tried to make our fellow inmates and therefore we were forced to write it."

Personally, my son was beaten to the point that he began to urinate blood. Is it true, I do not know, but I was told that her son was treated for a week in the infirmary with drugs. And it happened only when they learned that from the center there to check off the commission and, after that, they began to look after him. After leaving the commission again threw several prisoners in the cellars.

- After this event, a group of several families complained to the Deputy Chief of the Office of Ministry of Internal Affairs of Uzbekistan Chodieva. We told him everything that is happening in prison Dzhaslyk. The fact that there was even a case where authorities ordered seven of the prison guards to enter the chambers and rape of prisoners, but only because of the fact that they refused to carry out such an order, this did not happen. The fact that there were such cases, when the warden himself Kulembetov with batons by guards forcefully injected into the anus of prisoners. About all these insults and humiliation of human dignity, we told the Deputy Minister Chodieva. And demanded that he take action against these abuses and torture. Furthermore, I personally gave him the names of those prisoners who were thrown into the cellars.

He then when we rang Kulembetovu and in a telephone conversation with him told him: "What have you got going on? Right now my parents are prisoners complaining about you. What is it? I have already forgotten that you and I were in Karshi? "So, I thought, he worked in Karshi are below human dignity, meanness.

Women who had lived there 10 days ago, told me that out of ten prisoners were thrown into the basement, one is still there, plus to this, it is thrown to the other.

And what about other areas I have no information. But, with regard Dzhaslyka - there's going just horror.

As the Rafikova in prison used more and more new ways of torture. Here's what she says about it:

- Getting up every morning, the prisoners sing the anthem of Uzbekistan, then the anthem of Karakalpakstan. If they are a bit mistaken, or just do not make a movement or bed tucked in properly, they are immediately beaten. When beating a prisoner, then it must always repeat "thank you a citizen of the head. If he did not say it again beating. God forbid if the canteen fails aluminum spoon or something else, then immediately sent to prison and there to exhaustion beaten. As for food you can not even speak. Fed prisoners crushed rice, which give the cattle on farms. Simply pour boiling water and this Burdo fed. In recent years, and this began to give less.

It used all kinds of torture that exist. Cast into the cellars. Are forced to call himself a criminal, even if you ever done anything like that. If you do not say, then you sternly and mercilessly punished. And if we know that someone reads namaz even gestures, the guards as frustrated with the chain!

Parents to meet with his sons, overcome such a great distance, and if their son at this time sitting in a jail in violation, then it generally does not show them. Not to mention that do not accept the transfer.

When we were there, we do not take things too. In addition to this, because we complained to superiors about the unbearable conditions in prison, to our sons and husbands have used the additional torture.

- In the prison cell regime, no one allowed to walk, while many prisoners received sentences of general regime. Five, six prisoners sit in the same cell. At the slightest breach immediately two or three of them are put in prison. Now they use a new kind of torture, beating on the soles of the feet or hit, putting something to the body. Due to the fact that they are beaten on the soles of the feet, many prisoners hurt the kidneys, liver and other body parts, but no trace remains. These beating strongly affect human health.

As seen from the above facts, what is happening in the prisons of Uzbekistan, transcends all rules and regulations. This is perfectly aware of government officials and others, officers and officials. They would confirm it. The case of the warden Kulembetovym yet another confirmation of that.

Ozod Rafikova and other parents are right that in Uzbekistan, none of the prison is not subject to any laws. All of these camps and prisons consider themselves state within a state. They have their own rules and its laws. If anyone dares to go against them, it expects a permanent disability or death. It is this state of affairs today, hosted by the Government, as such agencies are helping him to destroy or hide away behind the barbed wire of religious, dissidents and people liking him.
http://archive.muslimuzbekistan.com/...a10082002.html

Posav 13.02.2010 16:59

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 912342)
Dear, for you and many of the forum is simply reportage photo, but believe me

Those photos are not reportage, and documentary, but with encrypted criticized the existing system such as "they are all miserable, miserable, poor at this power." If you are going to deny it cunning.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.02.2010 17:14

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 913172)
Those are not photo reportage and documentary, but with encrypted criticized the existing system such as "they are all miserable, miserable, poor under this regime".

And for this (maybe!) Criticism of the author's photo should be put in jail?

Евгений 13.02.2010 17:14

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 913172)
they are all miserable, miserable, poor under this regime ".

You are right in Uzbekistan, all happy, rich, happy, funny .. and the power there is the most democratic in the world ...

Posav 13.02.2010 17:35

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 913232)
You are right in Uzbekistan, all happy, rich, happy, funny .. and the power there is the most democratic in the world ...
..

I do not assert, I just do not like this deceit, that she did not criticize. Why lie to you? And you can defend without lying, even need to be protected without lying or you are not better than criticized. :cool::confused:

Евгений 13.02.2010 18:28

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Сообщение от Posav (Сообщение 913322)
Why did you lie?

Once you dissemble constantly on the forum ..
 Dear Posav, Uzbekistan is the most democratic state in the world .. And the people there are the happiest in the world ..
Meaning you to discuss this topic do not see ..


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