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Самвел 28.09.2008 13:47

In my opinion, today artists advertised as sausage for a true artist is an insult. I once heard that the State's recognition of the artist, is a personal defeat for the artist. With this I ponostyu soglasen.Naoborot, promoted by artists need to stay away. As said by John. \ My time has not come yet, but they always have time \

Wladzislaw 28.09.2008 15:51

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Сообщение от missart (Сообщение 27366)
say, and you can make the artist was in the top hundred of the best artists? And in general - as they get into these ratings? All thanks to those who have their spins?

In the first place - this exhibition in the prestigious museums and galleries, then - on sale at auctions.

Chagall out of hundreds.

Самвел 28.09.2008 16:24

There are artists who do not have raskruchivat.ibo he is an artist, spins mediocrities. What does it mean today unwind? This is to give the shell a vacuum, and this deals with Larry Gagosian, and I can already hear the forum rave experience, type-be sure to go, and people will go, I do not doubt it. Why they see that someone has gone, that means I have to go, or so he bought this artist, I also have to buy. In short look at how others act, and do the same thing. So far and until that time that my wife will want another one word they think they are, but in fact they are not.

Vladimir 28.09.2008 18:49

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 65226)
Chagall out of hundreds.

Vladislav, from which hundreds came Chagall? Most recently, he served in every hundred. And it is unlikely this situation will change.
Here are hundreds of turnover in the money: http://www.directorinfo.ru/Article.a...76&iid=881 Chagall for 9 spot.
Here are the top-12 Russian artists: http://artinvestment.ru/invest/ratin..._top12rus.html step 6 seats
In the top 10 world artists, he is not included, but in a hundred - almost certain. His personal record - 16 million

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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 65246)
What does it mean today unwind? This is to give the shell a vacuum, and this deals with Larry Gagosian, and I can already hear the forum rave experience, type-be sure to go, and people will go, I do not doubt it. Why they see that someone has gone, that means I have to go, or so he bought this artist, I also have to buy.

And then something bad to go? Well not ponraitsya material - okay, a normal reaction. Not surprising creative presentation of modern art - marvel at management. To how such material can be put half the world on its ear:) If you do not like them young, at least, recognized the elderly should be like. Those who are already in history - these, too, the exhibition is not enough.

Glasha 28.09.2008 19:43

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 65286)
And then something bad to go? Well not ponraitsya material - okay, a normal reaction.

It agrees with Vladimirom to have its own final opinion, we should go and watch ..

Самвел 28.09.2008 20:45

Do not go to Paris or London, something to see, especially since it will not save those who can not see.
 
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At the expense of half the world, which on the ears, then half the country looks Smehopanoramu, it is the same does not mean that it is good. This art is done far away from the public. I here is an old Indian proverb to heart. Bad sovem not bad, all visibly its ugliness, mediocrity, that's bad, it can be seen with a good likeness. priblizitnlno so.

Wladzislaw 28.09.2008 23:59

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 65286)
Vladislav, from which hundreds came Chagall? Most recently, he served in every hundred. And it is unlikely this situation will change.
Here are hundreds of turnover in the money: http://www.directorinfo.ru/Article.a...76&iid=881 Chagall for 9 spot.
Here are the top-12 Russian artists: http://artinvestment.ru/invest/ratin..._top12rus.html step 6 seats
In the top 10 world artists, he is not included, but in a hundred - almost certain. His personal record - 16 million

That rating. Best it does not exist.

http://www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artists

The phrase that came out of the hundreds of Chagall, illustrates that the question of the possibility to introduce people to the top one hundred virtually meaningless.

Vladimir 29.09.2008 00:53

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 65386)
Here's rating. Best it does not exist.

  Here are some names from the hundreds
Pipilotti Rist * 1962 (46) CH 41 -4 114,439.79 6,101.29
Jeff Wall * 1946 (62) CA 42 -2 113,359.91 8,670.35
Francis Alÿs

not deny that they are less known than Chagall. Vlad, that is probably the correct rating for something, but the sorting criterion is not clear. Explain by what criterion is sorting?

Wladzislaw 29.09.2008 03:07

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 65396)
not deny that they are less known than Chagall. Vlad, that is probably the correct rating for something, but the sorting criterion is not clear. Explain by what criterion is sorting?

Quite a lot. Public meetings (museums and galleries, they have their own ranks), exhibitions in museums (the ranks), galleries /dealers (also ranked), sales, publicity.

Rate increases from most exhibition activities. And, of course, dealers must provide maximum information, since the site itself does not keep track of all. If dealers are active, then the rating is growing. With this site, many people check their investment plans:) so - better to work actively:).

Regarding termed your characters, people have a lot of exhibitions of work for all purses, from affordable replicable, to the vast, new trends for the young affluent who are not interested in s /m, and Metallic print - well, work well for dealers. And in the museums of contemporary art are represented ...

Can not rule out fraud. In the first hundred of them to get hard (exhibition), but in a thousand - in energy and money, you can.

Vladimir 29.09.2008 10:26

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 65416)
rating of the most growing exhibition activity.

Rating component, composite, then all is explained. I have one factor in the methodology and has been Pipilotti Rist to the nines carries Marc Chagall:) No kidding - information useful, but only as one of many sources. Not a panacea. Thank explained Vladislav.

Can I say that this rating fashionableness artist? Or is it a rating of profitability? What?

iosif 29.09.2008 12:29

Do I have to untwist?
 
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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 65246)
There are artists who do not have raskruchivat.ibo he is an artist, spins mediocrities. What does it mean today unwind? This is to give the shell vacuum ...

So great to say that pulls agree. But - again, simple solutions to complex problems.
Approved: by any famous artist was a promoter. Marchand (like Cezanne), critic (remember Zola), wife (many examples), chairman of the Central Committee or the Mayor (too many examples). Sometimes the artist himself abruptly professional promoter.
Can an artist without a promoter? Of course you can! After all, the presence or absence of a promoter does not affect the artist's talent. Just then the artist can not become famous.

And yet, Samvel, incomprehensible your ardor. Why then do not come down with all the passion to lightbox ballet performance? Let the spotlight will switch off all to hell, and let prima dancer in the pitch dark, because her dancing - if it is indeed a prima - this does not get worse:)

Promoter - it is simply "illuminator" for the artist.

Самвел 29.09.2008 13:22

The lighter is also an artist. Here a question of time, time will pass and everything will fall into place. The sculpted stone lying on the ground not long, who else, if anything it raise. Recently there was an exhibition of the artist, nepomnyu his name, I know that was held in Tsaritsyno probably promoter played the mayor of Moscow, and he was told that, if he was clean-shaven, always with gastuke, and in a suit, he looked like a real estate agent and not the artist.

iosif 29.09.2008 13:38

Samvel,
about a stone - almost agree. Almost - because too many talented artists have died in poverty and obscurity. And their work in the best sold on the cheap, at worst - burned to release the studio.
Now about a tie. I do not like it, too. But sometimes it is necessary to wear. And the main thing - the presence or absence of a tie, again no effect on the talent of the artist.
The only negative promoter - if it applies in respect of artistic talent violence (write something, but it is not so, but not in another). But then he is not a promoter, and a rapist:)

Самвел 29.09.2008 13:52

At the expense of a tie, I really got excited, but here \ sometimes have to put \-here I totally disagree. They sold on the cheap, it does not mean that they never come out, but that burned down, something would have to release the studio, it can happen to any artist, because the, the one who does it, can not tell from the Pushkin Shishkin.

iosif 29.09.2008 14:24

Samvel,
the fact of the matter is that the picture "hyped" the artist does not burn. Because we all know that they are expensive. And everybody knows it because he - untwisted. Here circle and closed.


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