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Сима 06.03.2009 19:07

Cyril Syzransky,
the fact is that the first sketch - orange - and the songs and the characters actually goes back to Bakst, only simpler in all senses. Production in 1911 alone can not be there all these women on either side, the more that the last woman at the top is written, another name. I have read the entire list of productions tripled. Perhaps you with something sootnesete this title. Though I Zoom, but could not make out.
We employed a funny thing - "expertise" expertise. A must - originals, with the first drawing, watercolor. manner, paper, and then you inscriptions and signatures. Believe signatures and inscriptions - very much the last case. (in my experience).

SergeiSK 06.03.2009 20:01

More than half of work Goncharova and Exter made by Mr. Shovelenom (Jean Chauvelin) in their catalogs are fakes. They appear at regular intervals on some French and American auctions with fairly low prices for these authors. Recently, and here this "Exeter" discussed:
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...155&page=9
Here is correctly written:
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Сообщение от Sima (Сообщение 252326)
In Moscow there is a great expert on Goncharova, why do not you post her opinion here?

Because the view is one ...
But you believe that
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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 251996)
In general, no doubt about this!

And with time it will be so ...

Кирилл Сызранский 06.03.2009 21:05

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Сообщение от Sima (Сообщение 252696)
We are busy funny thing - "expertise" expertise. A must - originals, with the first drawing, watercolor. manner, paper, and then you inscriptions and signatures. Believe signatures and inscriptions - very much the last case. (in my experience).

Yes, hold in the hands of these sheets, you could say something. But it is clear that nothing is clear. What is there really something to consider? I do, I'm sorry, on such Goncharovs seen enough ... : D: D: D
And NG, and Goncharov, and "Goncharov" ...

Сима 06.03.2009 21:14

Cyril Syzransky, well, I think. this can be completed and discuss the problem of this Goncharova. but someone had painted it? That is the question.

operator 07.03.2009 14:46

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 253076)
Yes, hold in your hands these sheets, you could say something.

I agree that felt the work, the reality is clearly understood, he did not hold in their hands, and if the scales put your doubts and their opinions, then clearly trust the opinions of two experts. Photo is reduced in the amount that would sway on the site. But anyway, I am on soap responded that these works have already been sold.

Oh, well, you fellows! :) - "Real" work in a team - but only me all this reminds Krylov's fable about the three characters. What would have no desire to babble labels more detail is desirable first to examine in depth the topic without emotions and doubts begin to dissipate.

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As many forum users substantively helped me in the attribution and splitting of the "nuts", I feel it necessary to put the response from Dr. Parton by Degas where he was advised to contact 1) in Bakhrushina 2) Nancy Van Norman Bear 3) Prince Nikita Lobanov - Rostov to be contacted through MacDougall's auction house in London. (full text below).

Hopefully, visitors will be useful to know my experience, all the pluses and minuses of what is sometimes (but not always) the effectiveness of a topic on this site with the question of their art objects! Good luck!

Thank you for your e-mail concerning Alex Degai.
I am afraid that I know very little about the designer Alex Degai - but the works look really very interesting and are very attractive. Nor am I sure what production they might have been designed for.
There are three possible sources for further expertise. 1) the staff at the Bakhrushin Theatre Museum are usually very well informed and they might be able to help you. 2) the American scholar Nancy van Norman Baer - though I am afraid I have no contact details for her and 3) Prince Nikita Lobanov-Rostovsky who until recently possessed an enormous collection of stage designs (he has just sold them to Russia) and is an expert in this field of study. You can contact
him through MacDougall's Auctions in London.
I do hope this helps and I sent to you my best wishes,
Anthony Parton

operator 10.03.2009 19:36

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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 252196)
In addition that had already been announced, I translated that:
Grandfather "our" Degaya came with Napoleon's army in Russia from Italy and has remained so ever. Russian mom called him Sasha.

After Switzerland, in 1927, he moved to Rome where the left hand creates mostly cards for different types of troops and police. Also, he portrays the era of Napoleon Miniatures (here feels drawn to him vopominaniyam of his grandfather!)

Yes - a unique man was the artist Alex Degan!

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 252386)
"Prapravnuchka"-very ... :)
Can read from Larionova in "Memoirs of Diaghilev. 1930."
Quote: "Just autographs Pushkin, 11 letters to his fiancée Natalia Goncharova, great-grandmother famous artist Natalia Goncharova. (I highlighted.)

Well, of course, the great-granddaughter! Extra "PRA" Goncharova I hope will forgive me!:)

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 249426)
This is all the characters from the Commedia dell'arte - (in Schumann's Carnaval is Kyarina, Eusebius and Florestan, though others not). Ethiopians and karabintera from the same opera - or Operetta:)
Then it is logical and mention the corps de ballet - there almost always been ballet interludes.

And yet what name this kardebaleta?

Here I found about the descriptions of Commedia dell'arte in the Internet

Commedia dell'arte
(Italian commedia dell'arte) - comedy masks, Buffon representation Italian. t-ra (16, 1 st floor. 18 cc.). Actors and KD. were types of characters ( "mask"): servants (Brighella, Harlequin, Pulcinella), lyrical. heroes (usually a couple in love), comical. old men (Pantaloon), etc. Plays and KD. improvising on the basis of typical plot schemes; music had intermediyny character (inserted song, dance, nnstr. numbers). In close connection with a KD. developed madrigal comedy, pridv. ballet, pantomime, to KD as well. goes to the opera buffa. Characters and plot and scheme KD. reflected in the works of composers of 18-20 centuries. (opera "La Serva mistress" Pergolesi's "Le Nozze di Figaro" by Mozart, "Harlequin" Busoni, ballet "Petrushka" and "Pulcinella" by Stravinsky, OP. op. "Carnaval" by Schumann, "Scaramouche, Milhaud," Pulcinella "Rachmaninov and others .)

operator 11.03.2009 11:08

That substantive ссылочка on:
 
http://feb-web.ru/feb/litenc/encyclop/le5/le5-4372.htm

In her expert S. Mokulsky describes in detail all that is connected with «COMMEDIA DELL'ARTE [otherwise - comedy masks] - Italian improvised comedy XVI-XVIII centuries. The term «C. d. a. »means" professional comedy "(Italian arte - art, craft, profession),"
«Commedia dell'arte - genre of a complex and technically sophisticated. Its social base - not the people poor, and large commercial bourgeoisie XVI century., Undergoing a time of weakening of its social activity in relation to the economic decline of Italy. Partly reborn in a rentier, partly tending to senerialnomu lifestyle and to the feudal mode of production, the bourgeois aristocracy of the XVI century. presents a huge demand for theatrical performances, a rye-of sporadic becoming regular and entail the stationary base theaters and the creation of a frame of professional actors. "

Everything converges provided you with a series of works Degaya for another comedy of masks:

 
.. and have Mikulski we read further ... "It creates a set of typical characters of C. d. a., to-ryh was 10-12: 2 old, 2 servants, 2-3 pairs of lovers, maid, and the captain (played by old men and servants in masks). Each character had its own repertoire tirades, replicas, monologues, wit, a recorded vote the actors in special notebooks, called zibaldone (mixture) or repertorio, which are sometimes issued in support of acting improvisation. "

LCR 11.03.2009 16:03

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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 259076)

And yet what the name of this ballet?

Thus Sima told you, apparently, this ballet based on "Carnival" by Schumann.
As it is difficult to say, maybe just a "Carnival", and maybe they come up with some other nazvanie.Vo any case, you now have the name of the play, the name of the composer, and, of course, the name of a costume designer , look for:)

Сима 11.03.2009 16:20

LCR,:):):):):)


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