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artcol 27.01.2012 13:14

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1943161)
And what a revolution in music?
I missed something?

Yes, the phenomenon of the Internet type:

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In the late seventies of the last century created a digital musical instrument, which implements a fundamentally different approach to the synthesis of music, called "sampling". Literally the word means sampling. Synthesizers, which embodies this principle are called samplers, and sound samples - samples. The recording process is called digitizing samples or sampling.
Any sampler itself is an ordinary piece of iron or program. To him was of at least some sense, necessary samples, that he can play. No matter how expensive and professional sampler would not you, the most important thing - it's high-quality samples. Conversely, even if you are a beginner and do not use very powerful sampler, a high-quality samples are able to transform and enrich the sound.
The method of playing samples allows to achieve high realism. The reason is that the playback device, samples have to deal with acoustic and synthetic sounds of real musical instruments. When the sample playback device receives Note On, then instead of creating a sound it reproduces digital sample, which can contain any actual sounds - from piano to a wolf howl or sound of any synthesizer or drum machine.
With the samples you can do anything. You can leave them like there is, and the sampler will be heard voices, almost indistinguishable from those instruments, voices of primary sources. Samples can be subjected to modulation, filtering, and effects of exposure to get the most fantastic, unearthly sounds.
The difference between samples from normal audio is that their length is small (though not always). In addition, there are actually several kinds of samples: one-time samples (One-shot samples), which are commonly used for sound effects and percussion sounds and played once from start to finish, there is no recurrence, and cyclic samples (Loop samples), and called sample-based loops or loops (Loops) - they simulate the entire instrumental parts, such as four strokes drum instruments.
At the moment, thanks to the wide dissemination of software devices play samples, the opportunity to create full-featured music by combining the cyclic samples, while no longer required. You can even purchase a collection of cyclic samples, stored on a CD-ROM in a professional studio.

Кирилл Сызранский 27.01.2012 13:20

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1943201)
an opportunity to create full-featured music by combining the cyclic samples

A wonderful opportunity.
Of course.
I understand this - samples, and even cyclic.

But where is the musical revolution?

artcol 27.01.2012 13:31

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1943231)
A great opportunity. Of course. I understand this - samples, and even cyclic.
But where is the musical revolution?

From an article about industrial style.
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The idea of ​​using sound as a musical element has its origins in the Italian futurist manifesto Luigi Russolo (Luigi Russolo) «The Art of Noise," published in 1913. By itself, the manifesto of the artist was inspired by the work of Russolo Futurist composer Balilla Pratella (Balilla Pratella), whose "Technical Manifesto of Futurist Music" (1911) contained the following sentence: "[Music] shall transmit the spirit of the masses of huge industrial complexes, trains, ocean aircraft, military fleets of cars and airplanes. All this should add to the great central theme of the poem the area of ​​machinery and winning the sphere of electricity. " Pratella own music was much more conservative than you might think of him. Even a few years before Pratella more famous classical composers began to talk about the development of music.
In 1907, Ferruccio Buson (Ferruccio Busoni) wrote in the "Outline of a new musical aesthetics": "In what direction should be sent to the next step? to abstract sound, free equipment and unlimited tonal material ». Buson also did not follow this next step, but it did Schoenberg, Ives and Cowell (Cowell), from 1907 to 1919 to experiment with music, which by growing rapidly develops into atonality dissonance, as well as (in the case of Cowell) with ways to use old methods tools.
Separately, we must mention, and Alexander Scriabin, who tried in the 20s to create their own music system and experimenting with the interaction of sound and light. Industrial musicians, by the way, give him a debt of respect - Genesis Pee Orridzh, for example, at different times, recorded two large-size items, one of which was used musical principles formulated by Scriabin («Mouth of the knight»), while the other was devoted to its memory («Scriabianism »).
The massive use of this approach became possible after the so-called the figures.

Кирилл Сызранский 27.01.2012 13:43

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Сообщение от artcol; 1943241"
Mass use of this approach became possible after the so-called the figures .

So I knew about the " made ​​possible ", but I do not see a revolution in music.
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should be mentioned separately and Alexander Scriabin , who tried in the 20s to create their own music system and experimenting with the interaction of sound and light.
He tried , yes, but not in the 20s and earlier - Scriabin in 1915 is dead , and we know it is not due to some sort of "attempts " and on the works he wrote and executable - on "Poem ecstasy , for example, or on " Prometheus ."

artcol 27.01.2012 13:44

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran, 1943251
, we know its not because of some sort of "attempts"

Well, someone in this connection his name knows.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1943251)
I do not see a revolution in music.

It depends what you mean by music and revolution.
Ambient, industrial - many call it a revolution.

Кирилл Сызранский 27.01.2012 13:49

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1943261)
Well, someone in this connection his name knows.

He himself had not his "attempt" to translate, although the score "Prometheus" is the party of the world - this is the first light and composition are considered.

artcol 27.01.2012 13:53

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1943301)
He himself had not his "attempt" to translate, although the score "Prometheus" is the party of the world - this is the first light and composition are considered.

His mystery can be considered the first performances :)>

Кирилл Сызранский 27.01.2012 13:56

artcol, I is the fact that as a "revolution in music" exists only in words and predictable, and you expect a "revolution in painting" also remains in discussions and developments in which some Internet-based technologies
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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1943321)
Its mystery can be considered the first performances :)>


Performance - it's just performance - performance, presentation, presentation.

artcol 27.01.2012 13:59

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1943331)
artcol, I is the fact that as a " revolution in music " exists only in words and predictable , and you expect a "revolution in painting" also remains in talks and developments in which some Internet -based technologies .

Cyril , the music - it's sound. So that no revolutions :)>

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1943331)
Performance - it's just performance - performance , presentation, presentation .

No. Performance - a word meaning
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performance , presentation, presentation .
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The philosophical quest Alexander Nikolayevich gave rise to the idea of ​​synthesis of the arts . But his grand plan - is a synthetic act "Mystery " , combining music , art , theater and dance genres - and was left unfinished . Such action , according to a composer's idea , was to transform the world ...

Seriy 27.01.2012 17:29

artcol, in your head all messed up-sampled, figure, ambient ....
I have a room packed with synthesizers, behind my back now rare yellow key Waldorf Q - there are only a few pieces in the country.
In short, the sound can be synthesized in different ways, a classic-in sine wave, a pure tone of a certain height. by all sorts of transformations, overlays, treatments can get a number of different sounds that define the sound bank synths.
Sampling is when the sound is synthesized from the sinus, and recorded live and digitized, then laying in memory of the synthesizer-clicking on the button, you hear the recorded sound. Inconvenience, to fully zasemplirovat piano, you need to burn a huge amount of high-quality samples for every key and every manner of playing, because the force of impact depends on the key sound-volume of such a database, depicting the piano will be very large. But you can not just semplirovatne notes, but also some typical passages, techniques, for example, a violin ensemble.
For all the creativity it has nothing to do, just became easier to write, for example, music for movies - T e using samples recorded orchestra instead of a live orchestra.
Minus all of this, samples are the same for all and easily recognizable, so once or twice someone has used, lit and more to use them becomes impossible.
 Regarding the ring phrases .... There's an old technology-MIDI - it is a digital record of commands that come with each key. If you enable file MIDI, synth you lose all parties recorded there. MIDI to easily edit, substitute other instruments, samples required under the party .. This is a standard for digital recording, it is used everywhere, where they work with synthesizers, samplers.
There is a huge bank of MIDI for all occasions, ranging from Tchaikovsky to the most fashionable drum parts. And in order to record the drum part, now do not need a drummer for sampler musician simply fills the drums, all that is written in the form of MIDI, then by necessity, substituted tools, for example, needed to replace the "barrel" (bass drum) - simply substituted another sample. The party is not restarted, because the sound was recorded, only the team-written note how, when, as played.
 This led to increased availability of digital studios, now anyone can make music at home of any complexity. But ... first, to fully master the methods of recording, a man takes years of study, work and a lot of equipment, t e it is required to become a pro, and secondly, if there is no talent of composer, performer, all the knowledge in best lead to the emergence of another engineer.
So what kind of revolution, and indeed, all the old-needed talent and love of the public.
Ambient, indastriel is simply musical styles such as rock and roll-end or the tango.

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Maskit, it all sounds nice .. but when hung in a row Korkodym, children and Contemporary art, as it is now on the third floor, nothing but bewilderment, it can cause. Let us then in the State Tretyakov Gallery, in the Vrubel Hall, to hold exhibitions of children's drawings! People will look at the Demon and buy children's drawings of 200 rubles, and the output can be placed for sale earthenware jugs and whistles from the mezzanine floor.
No one from this exhibition policy is not good. But in order to conduct meaningful policy, we must have a staff of specialists, curators, rather than the three women, who hangs all, and secondly, we should have the choice of those wishing to exhibit in order to carry out the selection. Neither the first nor the second out of stock.
And I marvel at your determination to put on the embankment of the CHA all the artists who focused on specific daily sales. Empty the entire second floor. And then what? Gallery owners come to their projects? and who is stopping them come right now?

I am here today was in the CHA (urgently asked to pay extra for light), the mood among many artists cancel their plans for exhibitions in the CHA in the fall, no audience, no sales. The problem is this-there is no audience.
It does not appear on the same floor, in spite of the artists are different. And neither the children nor the pitchers with the whistles will not change.
Well, put another fur fair. Or furniture back in the CHA.

artcol 27.01.2012 17:55

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1943861)
So what kind of revolution ...

Seriy, all this could not write. It's not about the device synthesizer, here you will not discover me of Maui.

There was a revolution, it was not ... Media is the message. All questions to McLuhan as grit.

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1943861)
... Such as ...

All this is a matter of taste.

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From an early age young Richard loved to experiment with electronics. He once won a contest, making sound computer Sinclair ZX-81, the hardware does not support audio output: a specially selected sequence of machine code be inducted into the channel of sound the TV connected to your computer, as a result, at maximum volume on vykruchennoy, were heard different tonalities.
Later, when he became a disc jockey, his love of the noise is not abated. On one of his speeches, he brought with sandpaper plates. The few who remained in the room ran out not to endure horrific sounds. "What's the difference? I paid ... and so I played the sandpaper in New York, by the way, and the people there were dancing ... "- was justified then James. Somewhere in those days and there was his nickname - "Twin Eyfeks».

Кирилл Сызранский 27.01.2012 18:42

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1943861)
Let us then in the State Tretyakov Gallery, in the Vrubel Hall, to hold exhibitions of children's drawings!

Concerts in the same room, the - and nothing else.

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1943861)
mood of many artists cancel their plans for exhibitions in the CHA in the fall, no audience, no sales.
The problem is this-there is no audience.

This problem is not the CHA, now everywhere is the situation.

Maskit 27.01.2012 21:46

Grey, I agree that the CHA must maintain a policy of elective , but then a lot of shouting that prezhimayut freelancers and who wants to show it was responsible for someone else and not even then just bezplatno.I artists will be at a certain level bortom.I CHA will fill a decent , but there are and they have good sales from the workshops and through dealers. and happy will be displayed when it will again be prestizhno.Ved even Korkodyma sold with this exhibition, dozens of works , the information is correct . but he still and not the genius of the people do not worry , there will be good artists , there will be people .

Lorart 28.01.2012 00:06

Vladimir, Thank you very much for the article!
Read with great interest, alas, only that (somehow missed earlier).
Agree with almost everything!

Vladimir 28.01.2012 00:20

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Сообщение от Maskit (Сообщение 1944131)
Gray, I agree that the CHA must maintain a policy of elective,

It has already started a new policy.
Here's an interview with the new artistic director of the CHA: http://www.afisha.ru/article/steinbrecher-interview/


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