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Евгений 16.11.2008 13:33

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 106306)
Well, that Russian well, the German death ..

Agree ...
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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 105976)
It is strange that the Museum of Russian Art is virtually unknown in Russia.

Volodya, who is engaged in vocational-Soviet painting, nonconformists .. this gallery are well aware.

LCR 16.11.2008 14:00

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Сообщение от sss (Сообщение 105836)
You forgot about Malevich and those who are called the "Russian avant-garde".

Absolutely correct.
And at the very moment when Russia's izobrazhitelnoe art come, finally, to the world level (since the XIX century Russian painting is secondary and provincial - not by chance that all these Shishkin made from the Danes, and not from the Impressionists:), although the same?) When in Russia made the most interesting, most relevant experiments, he crushed all these associations with hudlzhnikov proletarian comrades.

And it's not in the "People's Commissar for walks and two leaders in the rain, just deadly that all these artistic proletarians do" for the soul "(looking at this product, could not help thinking that kommunyaki were right, and that there is no soul there - at least for some) - those horrible still lifes with bold, widely ramified, vulgar Soviet-bubnovovaletovskoy lilacs пейзажики written by people, as if unaware of what was happening in the world of art since the mid XIX century .

Евгений 16.11.2008 14:10

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 106386)
vulgar Soviet-bubnovovaletovskoy lilacs пейзажики,

I think in relation to the artists' Jack of Diamonds "You're wrong.

SergeiSK 16.11.2008 14:50

This debate will never end. It is not art, but in the ideology of each party to the dispute. Who's lives spiritually, he even loves ... Who likes bright "Jack of Diamonds", and who somber Rabin. This is a matter of taste. But agree, even by academics, social realism technique is much higher than any nonconformists. So painting class above! Compare the "Lilac" Konchalovsky and any nonconformists. And tell me one you like more? Be honest ... I will never believe that the recent dullness better spirits first. What's on the walls hang himself - Grabar or Krasnopevtsev? Just fashion last three to five years dictated the market demand for non-conformism, he grew up, grew and prices. Now as far as going out of the global crisis and the fashion will go. It is unfashionable "emergency preparedness" and fashionable "post-crisis." A historical painting, and is no way Socialist Realism remains, now and in the future. He is always fashionable, he willingly buy and collect. This Russian art, and not brought from outside the fashion trends.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.11.2008 15:21

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 106416)
What's on the walls hang himself - Grabar or Krasnopevtsev?

Not all art is made for the decoration of the Soviet small apartments.

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 106416)
He is always fashionable, he willingly buy and collect.

While. But the generation of these buyers and collectors go away soon with the art market, and following that socialist realism is certainly not interesting.

Евгений 16.11.2008 15:26

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 106416)
in the ideology of each party to the dispute. Who's lives spiritually, he loves it ..

Sergey, I would like to clarify some of the creative non-conformists, to my liking, in particular:
Alexander Kosolapov --
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=82
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Vladimir Slepian
  http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=80
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  Michael Roginskii -
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=65
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Viktor Pivovarov
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=60
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Nemukhin Vladimir
   http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=45
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Infante, Francisco
  http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=38
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Kharitonov, Alexander (1931-1993)
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=39
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 106456)
But pokalenie these buyers and collectors go away soon with the art market

Dear Cyril, they just come, art business with the Soviet painting is just beginning .. still to come ..

Самвел 16.11.2008 15:38

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 106456)
follows this socialist realism will certainly not interesting.

I would say with accuracy naoborot.Kak time to read it and will be interesting. The current generation unfortunately lost generation, it is too corrupt.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.11.2008 15:38

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 106476)
they only come, art business with the Soviet painting is just beginning .. still to come ..

We and the market generally appeared yesterday (market economy), and only market the arts in general, still in the bud. Your favorite Sovkom formed in 2004, yesterday, by the standards of Western auction houses. And not the fact that it will be tomorrow.
We do a half-auction houses throughout the vast country.
Why so little?
Art market there that is why ...
Let's see what will be next year. Will all buy art in Russia.

SergeiSK 16.11.2008 15:40

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 106456)
Not all art is made for the decoration of the Soviet small apartments.

Right. Or two-meter Grabar Nalbandian did not decorate. In public places, they look better. Nonconformism to Brezhnev kitchens sprang up and just in spirit, and this fits kitchens, and the era.
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 106456)
But pokalenie these buyers and collectors go away soon with the art market, and following that socialist realism is certainly not interesting.

Well we will not forward to 50 years to look, though anyone interested in such a time recognize the classics. And today the number of collectors of this direction is increasing, because is the most affordable. How many are collectors of Russian art 19-th century Russian avant-garde, non-conformism? There are three to five people, not more. I gather they are Russian and Ukrainian classics of the 19 th century. But there are many Socialist Realism, and you have my opinion too.
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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 106476)
some creative non-conformists, to my liking, in particular

Do you like Mickey Mouse Kosolapova?? It seems age is not the same:)

Самвел 16.11.2008 15:42

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 106546)
We and the market generally appeared yesterday (market economy), and only market the arts in general, still in the bud. Your favorite Sovkom formed in 2004, yesterday, by the standards of Western auction houses. And not the fact that it will be tomorrow.
We do a half-auction houses throughout the vast country.
Why so little?
Art market there that is why ...

And then the market of art, and art in its pure form. you get to the market of art begets art, but that is not so. this market and spawn us today artisans.


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