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Peter 02.06.2010 20:36

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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1132392)
The same, but shorter: critic - the alter ego of the artist.

Absolutely not soglasen.Nastoyaschy artist himself critic, and that he is their most stringent alternative ego.Odin probably wise man and the artist told me: "Every artist knows his true value (as the artist), the rest of the evil one."

02.06.2010 22:34

I think the critic, as art historian specializing in contemporary art writing, in general, not the artist.
His task, as the specialist, to create (record?) History of contemporary art. Quite a multi-faceted task. He is able to determine how cultural event can be attributed to cultural phenomenon. It can collect and process all possible information on a specific subject: from the directory to the correspondence with artists, tracing their biographies - as far as the imagination. Probably, and the popularization of contemporary art can be included in his task.
And what an artist from criticism? PR. So, just curious. And if a good critic, whose opinion you respect, you can extract a lot of good, paying attention to the marked them work on some points of analysis. Yes, a lot. But this rarely happens.

Yes, but who will open the exhibition? No art-managers also :)

Art-lover 02.06.2010 23:27

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1133632)
Quote: Originally Posted by Art-lover
The same, but shorter: critic - the alter ego of the artist.


Absolutely not soglasen.Nastoyaschy artist himself, critic, and that he is their most stringent alternative ego.Odin probably wise man and the artist told me: "Every artist knows his true value (as the artist), the rest of the evil one."

Peter, do not agree with Sokurov? Your right, but he says the same thing and you: in the sense of critical criticism good artist himself, the best critic, and outsiders do not need advice.

But Sokurov is still considered a subspecies of some critics, important for myself, and here's why: the ideal critic - it is a different - but equal to me as a creative, no less cultural than I am - call me: striving to understand my work. In other words, this "other self" ("Alter Ego" in Latin). Not exactly the same as I do, not a copy, not a mirror image, but that "other self": the complete your sense of the parallel world, socializing with which enriches me, stirs my unconscious, brings me new ideas , associations, images.

K-Maler 03.06.2010 01:08

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1128812)
As an artist and a man who love art, I have often wondered what the critics want? "What they show in their works that are not visible to the eye, then what can not be understood looking directly at the work of art? How do their views contribute to the artist, while others put the cross? is a subjective opinion or attempt an objective analysis of creativity?

Good question. Seems that the critics have appeared then when they became necessary. And she arose when "the art there are many, and it became a pile up haphazardly in the same places and it was necessary to restore order - and in understanding the issue in terms of sequence, which was followed, and in the broader sense - all these things mean why it is.
In this latter sense today and try to work art, contemporary art, for example, asks them a lot of work, no bread will not go ...

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1132102)
ere agree, but who can give an objective assessment of your creativity? Another artist? Critic? Spectator-lover? Art Dealer?

The artist himself gives himself "estimate", but for this must "see" themselves in the crowd, among others, exhibitions ... "You have a supreme court /All you'll be able to assess more strictly its trud. /Are you pleased with it if exacting artist? (A. S. Pushkin).

dedulya37 03.06.2010 09:25

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 1134142)
artist himself gives himself" assessment ", but for this must" see "themselves in the crowd, among others, exhibitions ... "You have a supreme court /All you'll be able to assess more strictly its trud. /Are you pleased with it if exacting artist? (A. S. Pushkin).

Totally agree. It is obvious why he wrote "I have erected a monument to his miraculous ..."

uriart 03.06.2010 09:41

The critic - is the one who did not know how to do anything but criticize others.
Thus, "attach themselves" to the creativity of these artists.
And the result is that it is also seen as an artist.
He's a critic!
How could it not see?
He had written an article on it ....

Pavel 03.06.2010 10:12

Alter-egolnye critics 40 years publicans Impressionists, because they liked the academics. It should be noted that while critics have made it absolutely free of charge and receive fees only from their publications. They are influenced primarily on public opinion is, for the public to buy or not buy paintings criticized authors. Discussions on the number of culture is now from impotence, but then, Zola has changed his tastes, and became ashamed of Cezanne, but selling more of it was sold to Cezanne. This criticism affects primarily the public.
There are currently no criticism because vsedelaetsya for reward and nobody believes it.
I do not know where here Sokurov, this collector prizes?

gans 03.06.2010 10:42

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 1134402)
, this collector prizes

Pavel, and you look at all the interviews (better video), and can not see a "collector prizes.

Pavel 03.06.2010 14:48

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 1134462)
Pavel, and you look at all the interviews (better video), and can not see a "collector of prizes".

I have already said that this is a different path. In his paintings deal with subjects not always luxurious, but always valuable. A movie in the cinema.

Pavel 04.06.2010 16:52

I liked this theme. It is very important to all identified and put into place in our art, so criticism is very much needed, At least to explain why not all contemporary artists are considered to be someone to date and why tearizovannoe art extolled above oil painting.
About the role of reactionary criticism in the fate of the Impressionists, I referred to, but as time passed, these critics or anything good or bad. Then came a new kagorta artists postimry and new kagorta critics, who were guided not only the stump of views, but had their eyes and their opinions, such as ORe and other critics agree then affect the buying patterns bourgeois length that it was a good investment, because that those who bought IDLI benefited, and academics have lost everything.


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