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Toinen 26.11.2012 13:58

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Сообщение от Vitali M, 2360621
I kind of money, too, can draw in stripes!



Vitali the letter M, so do not waste time, start now!

Кирилл Сызранский 26.11.2012 14:00

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Сообщение от Vitali M, 2360621"
there are a lot of artists and pay for some kind of nonsense !

There is reason to think about : What if these "stripes", for which Western collectors (wealthy people, often achieved success , fame, states , etc. by their own efforts , their expertise , talent , hard work ) give tens of millions of dollars, something so mean? something, perhaps they are?
You must admit , the owners of multi-million dollar state are not stupid at all.
Moreover, they are the people advanced in culture, who had seen many , many places come in , to see, as they say, and the world, and people, and different cultures.
I would 've personally would have thought at first just in this direction , and then he would speak out - " saw more nonsense !!!".

sergejnowo 26.11.2012 15:32

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 2360691"
what if these "stripes"

just a week ago was a "no" opinion on the painting of Mr. Rotkovicha that does not in any way a Russian artist, not washing, not skating.

Last Saturday I was invited to the opening of one artist symbolist in Hamburg. Invited the organizer of the exhibition, and I was behind the scenes, where I was taken into the "circle" and up to date. As there is promotion and what are the stages such, are omitted. An interesting view on the side of the depth and width of the semantic load in symbolist painting in terms of what they think and see the direct buyers. Price tags were type 1000 - 1500 euros for 60 x 80 cm, 3000 euros for 90 x 200 cm Subjects were beating about the protection of nature - flora and fauna. The artist wrote personal "stamp", "stirring" of their arrangement of Kandinsky, Klimt, etc. figure and color palette. The artist, 48, from East Germany, with all the consequences. Personal "stamps" were places akin to the ideology of the USSR. Type - well, mentally=purity of soul = Russian silver birch. Untouched nature = bears Shishkin at dawn. Imprints of memory from childhood: Cheburashka and Crocodile Gena!
Wedge converged on Cheburashka.
I stand in the center of a group of people, including the chief merchant event, one man said loudly pointing to one work on the wall - like, yes, it is the job I'm buying. Work quickly register the buyer about a circle of glue red type is sold, the buyer enjoys a happy process. Keep an eye to the work, I see that under the birch stands Cheburashka .... and naively ask the buyer - and this is what such a beast? He was staring, apparently did not know, but here it helps him a friend. He proudly declares - ha-ha is a matryoshka, Putin explicitly hidden inside. Ask, and ears that doll for? And he says it's a disguise.
Looking through the eyes of an artist, he also listens to the conversation, silent and smiling. Specifically ask again later and hear: he Cheburashka Cheburashka and Africa. If already on the opening day start guessing, Cheburashka for a window in a golden childhood, for another disguised Putin, then how can you judge the work of Mr. Rotkovicha to faint copies from the screen? On the semantic content and can not talk, we American freaks of the time do not know, are not clear and ocheeeen far.

Konstantin 26.11.2012 15:46

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2360891)
about semantic content and can not talk, we American freaks

For Rothko is unlikely to do.
Here the energy in its purest form.
Plus the 100%visibility, it Rothko and no one else.

I doubt that the picture with Cheburashka under birch possess these qualities.

Кирилл Сызранский 26.11.2012 15:46

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Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2360891"
The artist , 48, of the GDR

East Germany formally ceased to exist and was united with West Germany October 3, 1990 , that is, by Cheburashka 22 years living in the united Germany.
Yes, apparently, he had sunk gedeerovskoe childhood.
Although, there is also Merkel of " Aussie " , but she and 10 years of the artist's older.

Konstantin 26.11.2012 16:10

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2360921)
Yes, and they are different.

I would say for sure - and so are differently.

Even if Cheburashka written awesome realistic.

artcol 26.11.2012 16:46

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2360891)
symbolist painter

Postmodernist soon.

Борисович 13.12.2012 19:21

Pole gave a couple of years for the autograph on the picture Rothko.
 
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2289631)
Russian artist Vladimir Umanets spoiled work abstractionist Mark Rothko's "Black on brown", which is in the Tate Modern gallery in London, leaving the sign in the corner of the picture.
In a telephone conversation with a journalist Guardian the attacker said that he will add value to masterpiece of his autograph, which read: "Vladimir Umanets '12. Potential product yelloizma. "

The museum staff did not have time to stop him. As wrote in a Twitter one of the witnesses, Umanets slowly walked over to the painting, took a black marker and, after standing for some time, quickly made label, and then disappeared.

 Picture "Black on brown", damaged by an intruder, was created in the late 50's and donated to the gallery after his death.

Vladimir Umanets consider themselves artistic movement Yellowism /yellow. "Supplement" them Rothko painting he expects to see an exhibit of the future exhibition.

His act Umanets not accept a criminal offense. Although he said he was ready to arrest if the London police deems it necessary.

Wlodzimierz Umanets has spoiled the picture of Mark Rothko "brown on black", December 13, was sentenced to two years in prison.

Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/13/12/2012/836507.shtml

Кирилл Сызранский 13.12.2012 19:28

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Сообщение от B. (Сообщение 2386581)
The Poles were given a couple of years for the autograph on the picture Rothko.

Oh, he has a Pole and Vladimir, and Wlodzimierz.

Кирилл Сызранский 25.09.2013 18:37

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