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Seriy 16.12.2009 00:09

So we've already discussed, whether a gallery contract with Van Gogh, if he wrote in the year 200 paintings, among them the ranks of the same? If she can not sell them, then he must give them to somebody else, not salt the same? A Picasso-on 300-500 pieces per year? Gallery will master? or say Pablo, Moderate your enthusiasm ...

LCR 16.12.2009 01:50

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 793442)
So we've already discussed, whether a gallery contract with Van Gogh, if he wrote in the year 200 paintings, among them the ranks of the same? If she can not sell them, then he must give them to somebody else, not salt the same? A Picasso-on 300-500 pieces per year? Gallery will master? or say Pablo, Moderate their ardor ...

Wait, why do you think that an artist must always sell all his paintings?
The agreed contract number of works he gives a gallery owner, and the other stores in the studio, where the problem?
At the same after Picasso's death left a large number of works by Matisse, Bonnard, Giacometti, Vasarely - the same thing. Even Warhol found, much to the delight of his brother, the unsold work!

Note, if they were all sold in his lifetime, it would be relieved of their legal successor of the endless and destructive to their nervous system processes associated with the sharing of the inheritance :)

NATA NOVA 16.12.2009 02:26

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 793822)
and the other stores in the studio, where the problem?

The problem is that there was nowhere to store ... (or live ..)

AlexanderG 16.12.2009 05:00

V dogovore inogda ogovarivaetsia minimum kartin predostavliaemyh hudoznikom dlia prodaz.

Seriy 16.12.2009 10:32

LCR, usually about the balance of the sale I already wrote. Maybe when were MANOR, store where it was. Now, even if the artist does not have Roitburd workshop, and must be stored materials and finished products, and land, are unlikely to actively working artist can keep a large portion of the work of, for example, 10 years old.
And then .. they also can steal, pour, mice eat ... correct storage-fooling.

Семен Семенович 16.12.2009 11:45

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 793442)
Gallery overpower?

Each picture in its approach and its terms, each artist - his. And if the goals and views from them are the same (about the joint work), then cooperation is obtained. After all, the artist has the right to choose the gallery, but it does not impose conditions, as it should work.
As for me, with the artists consider themselves new vangogami, Picasso and others do not work. Yes, and with printing on 400 products a year - too. It is true that these artists have with me not want to work. So we have mutual-...:)

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V dogovore inogda ogovarivaetsia minimum kartin predostavliaemyh hudoznikom dlia prodaz.

For example, I start with 5 works (the so-called representational stage). Constant artists represented by ten or more works.

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 793882)
The problem is that nowhere to store ... (or live ..)

I would like to note that the gallery does not deal with the problems of housing ...:)

LCR 16.12.2009 12:56

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 794382)
LCR, usually about the balance of the sale I already wrote. Maybe when were MANOR, store where it was. Now, even if the artist does not have Roitburd workshop, and must be stored materials and finished products, and land, are unlikely to actively working artist can keep a large portion of the work of, for example, 10 years old.
And then .. they also can steal, pour, mice eat ... correct storage-fooling.

Storage, indeed, requires space and costs money - I know this from personal experience and the experience of friends.

But look at another aspect of the problem: what compose the exhibition, if all sold nakornyu, per square centimeter, through the Internet галерейки? What place in museums? Is that such a goal there? ..

The last, unfinished work was, "The Concert", 16 years lay in the basement of rolled-up (because of its size, where a 3 x 6 meters, you could not make it out of his shop without taking off the stretcher) before it is purchased and exhibited Paris Museum of Modern Art. Some work Roginsky early 1980's. GTG were acquired only in early 2000's. and others I have shown in 2005 in his big solo exhibition at Contemporary Art at the First Moscow Biennale - before this opportunity was not there.

Кирилл Сызранский 16.12.2009 13:18

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But look at another aspect of the problem: what compose the exhibition, if all sold nakornyu, per square centimeter, through the Internet галерейки? What place in museums? Is that such a goal there ?..

There is!
I ask a friend to sell вешь one of the earliest, but he did not sell anything now, getting ready for the big show, and even knowing that from the early exposes not a lot, does not want to sell and wants of the remainder (naprodaval at the time) to have the opportunity to choose before exhibition, selected with the idea, slowly, seeing the mind as if all the exposure ...

NATA NOVA 16.12.2009 14:32

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich (Сообщение 794552)
I would like to note that the gallery does not deal with housing problems ...

But if engaged in storage, then will "place to live" in the house of the artist ...
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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 795)
... mice eat ..

 
... mouse-iskusstvoedy ..

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 794762)
The last, unfinished work was, "Concert", 16 years lay in the basement of rolled-up (because of its size, where a 3 x 6 meters, it was impossible to make it out of his studio, without removing the stretcher) before it is purchased and put Paris Museum of Modern Art. Some work Roginsky early 1980's. GTG were acquired only in early 2000's. and others I have shown in 2005 in his big solo exhibition at Contemporary Art at the First Moscow Biennale - before this opportunity was not there.
     

I do not know what conclusions do ..
Miniatures Activities sure ...

Seriy 16.12.2009 16:50

Semen Semenovich, the artist can not produce 5 pictures per year. So you have a non-exclusive contract with him.
And the conditions of our exclusive gallery owners will probably not attract and tongs :-)


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