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Konstantin 19.11.2012 23:42

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Сообщение от redbor; 2348071"
There have written above that of manipulation and programmed selling price. Apparently the way it is .

Yes manipulation.
But.
Why to manipulate selected because Rothko ? That among other things explained why two bands in orange to pay millions? Can not you take any manipulation for you (and other lovers of realism) undisputed realist and drive at its price in the tens of millions? And the questions that- Well so much to explain about multiday glaze and the filigree technique.
Why go the hard way?

artcol 19.11.2012 23:51

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2348321)
Yes manipulation.
But.
Why to manipulate selected because Rothko? That among other things explained why two bands in orange to pay millions? Can not you take any manipulation for you (and other lovers of realism) undisputed realist and drive at its price in the tens of millions? And the questions that-Well so much to explain about multiday glaze and the filigree technique.
Why go the hard way?

Just not a difficult walk.

Even the example of the forum you can see that formed self-sustaining process, the continuing disputes sealed with ... sorry, certified experts. Rothko - garbage or masterpiece? If you build a situation so that the realism in the public eye will be retrograde and cattle, it eats but some will build up from this group, forming a support for creativity Rothko, positioning itself as nebylo and progressive citizens.

Not to say - if only to say. Well, divide and conquer.

This is a purely technological, because arguing about taste stupid. Like - please, look at the pink to red ... Or, say, the green on blue :D> Ie it should not even be an issue. Painting - an illusion, illusion, focus. IMHO. And that's what's behind it - is another matter. And the other question - that's about it, then it makes sense to speculate as to collectors, investors and agents of the art market.

And the question of price - it is a matter of patriotism, not more. U.S.. As well as the price of the Russian classics. Just the nature of dollars more, hence the difference in the order of prices.

Konstantin 20.11.2012 00:02

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Сообщение от artcol; 2348361"
If you build the situation so that for realism in the public eye will be retrograde and cattle

If you build , but if you make sure ... Why the extra work ? And there will always be those who will say that the children in the kindergarten because they can. Why not Aivazovsky ? The answer is, it's easier to convince to pay millions for a band than a superior technical execution - you convince me there.

artcol 20.11.2012 00:05

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2348421)
If you build , but if you make sure ... Why the extra work ? And there will always be those who will say that the children in the kindergarten because they can. Why not Aivazovsky ? The answer is, it's easier to convince to pay millions for the bands than the highest performance techniques - convince you , I'm not .

Constantine , you read carefully what I wrote. This technology. Technology provocation. In art .

What about technology? Wait , this technique of graduates and glazunovki surikovki - ogogo! No worse Levitan , Repin , etc. Poprobuyka pokonkuriruy .

Pablo 20.11.2012 00:16

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2348421)
And there will always be those who will say that the children in the kindergarten are so .

Frankly , a lot of opinions around , it's easier to ignore the course, but the answer is: "Do you draw ? " :)>

I noticed that it is very much quality work, and at the height of technology and performance ... But you look at the work and can not see anything . Either flat or empty <! - ~ 2 ~ - > Now is the time , money, which is reflected by the artists: instead to write, artists work ( pechalka this is , in my opinion, this is not important in art :(>

манна 20.11.2012 01:19

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Сообщение от redbor; 2348071"
That's it , your " overpaid " 50.t.r - nothing good would not buy

Strange logic you have , I would say " elusive ": buy for 80 mil . - It's obvious manipulation, bought for 1.5 thousand dollars. - Nothing good ... How much to take , it is necessary (to a worthwhile buy and avoid manipulation ), 10 tys.dol . ? 50? :confused:> :D>

artcol 20.11.2012 01:26

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Сообщение от Pablo (Сообщение 2348501)
Now is the time, money

someone like ...
:cool:>


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Сообщение от Manna (Сообщение 2348851)
How much to take, it is necessary (to a worthwhile buy and avoid manipulation), 10 tys.dol.? 50?
:confused:> <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Mann, I each, you've been reading test :D>

Konstantin 20.11.2012 07:54

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2348881)
Mann, I each, you've been reading test

Have you watered technology and as a result, instead of events, though paradoxical, see some manipulation.
And instead of a discussion of the phenomenon though and Rothko, always discuss manipulation.

artcol 21.11.2012 04:27

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2349131)
Have you watered technology and as a result, instead of events , though paradoxical, see some manipulation. And instead of a discussion of the phenomenon though and Rothko , all the while manipulating the discussion .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism
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Postmodernism postulates that many, if not all, apparent realities are only social constructs and are therefore subject to change. It claims that there is no absolute truth and that the way people perceive the world is subjective and emphasises the role of language, power relations, and motivations in the formation of ideas and beliefs. In particular it attacks the use of sharp binary classifications such as male versus female, straight versus gay, white versus black, and imperial versus colonial; it holds realities to be plural and relative, and to be dependent on who the interested parties are and the nature of these interests. Postmodernist approaches therefore often consider the ways in which social dynamics, such as power and hierarchy, affect human conceptualizations of the world to have important effects on the way knowledge is constructed and used. Postmodernist thought often emphasizes constructivism, idealism, pluralism, relativism, and scepticism in its approaches to knowledge and understanding.

Кирилл Сызранский 21.11.2012 05:28

Ossspadi , but leave you alone Malevich with Rothko.
They have become textbook - familiar elements of modern culture.
Black Square 100 will soon be fulfilled. 100 YEARS !
Many things Rothko over 50 !
 And our farmer Vasya just woke up , went out on the porch in a padded jacket thrown over greasy , scratched his chest under his shirt and shabby sight :
" Holy Mother , it's a million - are they on the dollar for this crap -on plOtyut , bourgeois - damned on ... I've got , man , nothing but scrapes , in the garden -on, plague, crop failure , the cattle would fall, then won - oven -on again chadit from a bad pull , and then another and cheek , the dog will lead the side ... And what? but our something, this FAQ ... well .. . these ... Vasilyev there Khrutsky Ivan Fomich then , again, Aivazovsky , Shishkin -on , Serov ... Huh?
No, well, to a peasant to go ? "


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