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Сообщение от Keeper dill 2731561

About the "sale .. there .." it seems that all the same in his own country of the prophets is not .. constantly looking to the side, as appreciated ..

Present there will always be more expensive. Why? In most cases, the artists themselves to blame.

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Сообщение от Heavy Hans (Сообщение 2731851)

From the website "The Valentine Ryabov Gallery":
Collectors of contemporary art - is intelligent, confident, successful and, most importantly, very busy people. At the same time, the ability to make intelligent choices when purchasing works of contemporary artists require special knowledge and visual experience of what such people usually do not have time.
When a new customer, a potential collector, well-versed in their own business, at the art auction relies on his wits, he risks purchased at very considerable cost is not the best job. Competence, as well as the taste and understanding comes with time, and it is a professional art consultant can help collectors, especially beginners, to speed up the process and avoid a lot of trouble.

The majority of people in different situations prefer to go to the professionals - doctors, lawyers, accountants.
More surprising, that in drawing art collection, few are aware of the need to involve specialists art. At the same time, sharing the idea of art as a complex, difficult subject, art buyers are beginning to realize that by doing so exposed to view their own taste, which, in turn, involves a considerable monetary capital. In this situation, the work of professional consultants on art is precisely to help understand the secrets of art collectors and provide long-term support in this difficult process. "

So there! And the cleanliness in the sight, and clarity genuine.

According to the Moscow Times: "The police have taken out of the St. Petersburg Museum of authority 4 Konstantin Altunina, Fontanka reported. Police intend to check whether in the works of extremism.
Suspicions aroused police of "Rainbow Milonov", "Tv" with a picture of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev in his underwear, the diptych "Erotic Dreams deputy Mizulina" and "From the confession" - a portrait of Patriarch Kirill to headscarves.
According to the director of the museum authorities Tatiana Titova, police officers led by the chief of the MOI for the Central District Bukach Alexander and his deputy appeared at the Museum on Monday evening. With them were also officers in civilian clothes who did not introduce themselves. After some time, they were joined by the deputy Vitaly Milonov. After seeing the exhibition, he expressed his disgust and left the museum. "

A mass of writing, the art of soured .. rages, however.

Well done! <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Heavy Hans (Сообщение 2731801)

I agree it is an interesting question.
With intrusive sergeant want to ask: "And how in demand, where, and in fact, anyone?"
Or cry out to the armored car to the masses: "Und denkt bitte nicht daran mir mit Vorlesungen über Subjektives und Objektives auf den Senkel zu gehen!
Seid nicht so blöd! "

Well, expose here on the forum - and you will see <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

The fact that he did not spot the auctions - in this case may indicate a lack of demand.

Pablo, with the formation of the painter, IMHO, this is the case, than his education, the more the better. Painting is a conventional language, and he needs to learn the same way as ordinary language, the words from the letters. Here you will speak, not being trained, the Hungarian language? Or Mowgli children grow up in the woods, well they're not inventing your own language? and come out of the woods and dumb, in fact, may never learn the language of the people, if the time lost.
Individuality is the value of modernity, until this value was skill.
Because the painting - it is a language that you do not have painted on canvas, is a phrase or just a collection of letters, moo. And no options-that is, the location of any spots, lines, volumes will definitely give literacy artist to paint a picture. Is it possible to educate themselves? You can, of course. But I just want to say that the language of painting does not come with the genes of the father and mother, as a character, it will inevitably have to learn.
Fidelity worked out style or constant updating, or creating a style as a separate, successive, the project is already the case situation. Now, IMHO, as the dominant style of design, style as a genre. Hurst creates projects and blue painting has nothing to do with his paintings of rotation, which, in turn, have nothing to do with point patterns is all the individual projects.

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 2731321)

manna, because this is what we are, why top results achieved are not many artists in domestic auctions, and on top of domestic quite different.

I do not know what you do not understand ....

"at the top of domestic completely different"

To this topu AI wrote what criteria it was compiled. It's clear why this particular top "completely different." Almost half of the top is auctioneer. Vladey (Moscow). But he was still the one! times. It is likely that many of the top artists from the "out there" does not (get harder there than at our auctions.) And just "common" about the same as the top, it's the sixties.

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Let header turned out to be extremely wordy, but still have to explain. Initially, the idea of ranking was simply to collect the top 20 results of living Russian artists. And then it turned out that the ranking of Western living, we are taking the time and in ours - no. Ashamed, sat down and calculated his. But it turned out that the top 20 Russian artists living largely repeats the top 20 of our sixties, give them the God of health. Therefore, the selection criteria had to tighten.

Since our department did not enter into the WTO and is not going, we are famously introduced "customs ban": that in the ranking were not only Russian, but not now living, but also so that the results were only recorded on the internal Russian auctions. And thanks to the last criterion, a list of names has changed radically. Sixties almost dropped out in full force. After all, most of their solid record was at Sotheby's, Christie's in those recent days when buyers have not yet explained the policy of nationalization of the elites. Oh, and, of course, the rating includes only the results for the five-year history of observations ARTinvestment.RU. Otherwise, a short slide down into the ancient legends like Moscow Sotheby's in 1988 (also w formally "Russian auction").

As is often the case, the closure of "import" has created problems for the beginning of ourselves. In the Russian auctions compared to Western, unfortunately, much less order and transparency. In previous years, our homes auction results are often not published and did not provide. Often, the information had to be collected manually. In addition, it is possible that even among the official results are in a sense "drawn". Nothing can be done about our young market, rules and way of just being formed. After that, and are working to get better. So, dear readers, do not judge strictly and is related to it and rated as an information and entertainment. The more so because the list has turned not uninteresting.

"why top results achieved are not many artists in domestic auctions?"

And what's not understandable? Top-end job more profitable to sell at top auctions. (Top auction at them, not us), such as the Russian week in London, which attracts a large number of wealthy people. A checkpoint operation (suspended) sometimes more profitable to sell us. According Krasnopevtsev met a couple of works that were bought there, then on Sovkome sold almost half. Or Nesterovoj, there is not sold, then we have - and sold one and a half times more expensive ..

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Сообщение от Pablo (Сообщение 2731471)

manna,
And unless you're looking for yourself so far? Or all of your questions you've already got the answers?

Pablo, not looking. <! - ~ 1 ~ -> It has long been found, a child has received all the answers. In the sense of Art ...

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Сообщение от manna ; 2731931 "

And what 's not understandable ? Top-end job more profitable to sell at top auctions. ( top auction at them , not us) , such as the Russian week in London , which attracts a large number of wealthy people . A checkpoint operation (suspended) sometimes more profitable to sell us. According Krasnopevtsev met a couple of works that were bought there, then on Sovkome sold almost half. Or Nesterovoj , there is not sold, then we have - and sold one and a half times more expensive ..

There, they and all vtyuhivayut .

Seriy, here you are again pretending that you do not understand.
At school you can learn only one - figure. Rather, the pattern can be learned most, but it will take some time. Everything else is being taught - a set of stereotypes, rules that are someone else's subjective. Undoubtedly, there are rules, without which nowhere - for example the prospect, the proportions of the human face and body. This way, you can also learn how to, once again, at a cost of more time than the self. And sometimes just enough "to get the hand."

Also, in my opinion, schooling provides the only plus - writing articles that do not exist in reality with some accuracy the form. That is, paint a picture not from nature.

You are right, painting - the language. Implementation of the above-described rules will result in a more appropriate display of the form. Still life, portrait, landscape undoubtedly require these codes. But there are plenty of examples where this is not required.

Of course, I believe that a lot of lost because I do not studied. But instead I have something that gives me the urge to write and create. Of course, if it were possible - would have learned the pattern, there is no dispute can not be. But yet the lack of training has advantages, which in my opinion is not enough. When the "less is more", too bad.

manna, God grant that all was as it is what you came from. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Pablo (Сообщение 2731981)

set of stereotypes, rules that are someone else's subjective.

A set of rules - not a " someone's subjective ".
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Cyril Syzransky, but oh, man all his life studying, and only at the end of life understands something <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Pablo; 2731981 "

At school, you can learn just one thing - drawing

But what about the composition , working with color ... If you studied , would not write nonsense.

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Сообщение от Pablo; 2731981 "

Of course , I believe that a lot of lost because I do not studied . But instead I have something that gives me the urge to write and create .

And those who have studied no longer have the desire ? Poor educated artists . What do you do ?

Buscador, here explain to me why you think that you are right?
Is there anything, except your different point of view?
So in this case, the stuff you write.

I do not know whether k.-l.
desire to those who have studied.
Who knows?
Do not do not judge.

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Сообщение от Pablo; 2732051 "

man all his life studying (or rather, gains experience )

Adults, too, are learning , both in educational institutions and graduate schools , and various training courses , and seminars , and conferences .
A doctor who does not raise his career his qualification ( ie, who do not learn ) is doomed to be a district physician in the district hospital .