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Pavel 20.05.2009 17:59

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Сообщение от Buscador (Сообщение 393976)
And you podnatuzhtes and let you, and you organize your. You do want to do everything yourself. Give us the art market - only for artists, without boarders there. Yes, and remember that not very well you spoke about teachers - what they can teach there! And then remembered that Rajnov taught at the Academy. Probably too vain bread eaten, "gild the lily"

B. Rajnov was a prominent art historian and collector. He did not teach, and lead a course at the Academy of Fine Arts-Art History course. He was known and respected dealers and Auctioneers in Paris. That is enough. I do not understand where do the teachers and why should I admire them. Art Market is where the thing purchased can be immediately sold, and when prices are established legally. I myself only want to do and only he, and as I like. The rest I do not understand, expresses the idea more clearly, please.

Buscador 20.05.2009 21:34

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 395446)
I do not understand where do the teachers and why should I admire them. Art Market is where the thing purchased can be immediately sold, and when prices are established legally. I myself only want to do and only he, and as I like. The rest I do not understand, expresses the idea more clearly, please.

Извените, Pavel, but you give it a try to express himself clearly. You recently claimed that anyone who needs these teachers that they are confused! A Rajnov was prepodavatet, you know - the teacher. If he led a course, it means teaching ... You, in my opinion no one taught and you do not understand what the teacher - it is not my aunt and uncle with a pointer, and people dayuschte knowledge.
And what you want to do everything himself, and as you like. So that you prohibit exactly no one. Only then do not preach to others that they did not because they want to. And then it would be "great society" - pull-push.

Pavel 21.05.2009 16:21

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Сообщение от Buscador (Сообщение 395686)
Извените, Pavel, but you give it a try to express himself clearly. You recently claimed that anyone who needs these teachers that they are confused! A Rajnov was prepodavatet, you know - the teacher. If he led a course, it means teaching ... You, in my opinion no one taught and you do not understand what the teacher - it is not my aunt and uncle with a pointer, and people dayuschte knowledge.
And what you want to do everything himself, and as you like. So that you prohibit exactly no one. Only then do not preach to others that they did not because they want to. And then it would be "great society" - pull-push.

It seems you have not studied at the institute, because then would know what to teach and to teach a course is a little different. I have nothing against teachers at school, but in an artistic high school all in another. I talked about what great artists are often put forward similar to the students themselves, rather than identify their own personality. You are too politicized

Buscador 23.05.2009 10:47

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 397176)
I talked about what great artists are often put forward similar to the students themselves, rather than identify their own personality. You are too politicized

Say, like whether Korovin, Vrubel, Levitan, Serov ... A teacher they were alone. Talent - individual. And they are very honored their teachers Perov, Savrasov, Polenova brothers Sorokins .... Another thing is that now there are no teachers - themselves not enough. that they can. Here and proclaim the new trends - do not bother saying the figure, color, do not need to bother. Pour out their emotions on the canvas, so it will be a real painting. Here we have and a splash ....
And, would you be so kind as to indicate where I wrote about politics! What is my zapolitizirovannost?

Pavel 23.05.2009 12:48

Forgot Ostroumov-Lebedev. She studied at Repin and a 5 course went to Paris. Came to the academy Whistler - a friend and fellow impressionist learn. And it - after 5 years of study in the PA have even said that she did not know how. Then she wrote as taught her tone and color. Something similar is described students Korovin, apparently he was in Paris the same time nothing to lose. You are mistaken if throwing and throwing will be bright and sunny, should be built and feel. So 20 years after the artist begins to feel the tone color if run continuously and purposefully.
I forgot something in Savrasov except rooks rooks and repetition?

Buscador 23.05.2009 13:05

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 399756)
Something similar students describe Korovin, apparently he was in Paris the same time nothing to lose.

You извените, I do not understand. A good artist anywhere, at any time to waste not lose. He is constantly being improved.

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 399756)
You are mistaken if throwing and throwing will be bright and sunny, should be built and feel. So 20 years after the artist begins to feel the tone color.

Again, I did not write that will be bright and sunny. I meant that on your same theory, learning is not necessary, just enough to feel well, and build. Imagine a house that was built by people who only feel, but can not do anything. You must be able to know, feel and ... "be friends with the muse."

dedulya37 23.05.2009 13:23

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 399756)
So 20 years after the artist begins to feel the tone color.

Some have already died twenty years after graduation. If you really just did not feel the tone of color, not fig generally learn!

Buscador 23.05.2009 13:26

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 225406)
Buy painting is an art and for that get a lot of money.

?????? On this occasion very well said AK Savrasov, after the death of F. Vasiliev (1850-1873), whose talent he admired - ... "... How much was it - no one knows, and I do not know - who that is ... I do not know what is Schubert's serenade or two storochki Alexander Pushkin ... "

Pavel 23.05.2009 14:04

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Сообщение от Buscador (Сообщение 400)
?????? On this occasion very well said AK Savrasov, after the death of F. Vasiliev (1850-1873), whose talent he admired - ... "... How much was it - no one knows, and I do not know - who that is ... I do not know what is Schubert's serenade or two storochki Alexander Pushkin ..."

This column is called the yield-of the art. So you understand how teaching in high school?

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 399836)
Some have already died twenty years after graduation. If you really just did not feel the tone of color, not generally learn fig!

And many people do not learn, so propyanstvuyut 5 years and then boast of teachers. Workshop from birth. Other people's works in the Union. Then talk about someone else's art as his, which is not.

Buscador 23.05.2009 14:11

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 399956)
This column is called the yield-of the art.

Which column?


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