Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

- Costs, valuation, attribution (https://forum.artinvestment.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=6)

- - Mark Rothko (https://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=196)

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Сообщение от artcol; 2318371"

Rothko - American artist, I do not really understand what is the interest to discuss it in the context of this forum.

Why not discuss the American artist ? In the sense that the Russian forum for Russian , right? :)

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Сообщение от artcol; 2318371"

However komputer is capable of more than the brain Rothko, so why not invest in a computer work? Why not discuss it?

The computer is not capable of doing something , of what the human brain. In komputer no imagination, but only in the presence -of-the -b -r -a -g -e- n-and - I can create and experience art . The richer imagination , the better " vosprinimalovo ." :)

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Сообщение от zarajara; 2319471"

series is made on the basis of value for contemporary culture, it could be

Well , I agree that museums must hang. But do not agree that they need to endlessly imitated, that it is an imitation can be a valuable ... As for Rothko , the admiration for him Antonioni is understandable, but forcing the prices of such images is a game ... This " trend" can fail suddenly ...

zarajara, alas, alas. Is misleading, if a person sees Cezanne still life, aah .. that's apples, I understand what the artist, he wanted to paint apples. And in fact, Cezanne painted with the same purpose as Rothko, and solve the same problem, EM, of course, the purpose of the picture was not a painting of apples. Once recognizable objects are removed, 99%of the audience immediately loses contact with the painting.
It sometimes appears an artist who loves to rub quotations from letters Cezanne, other impressionists, connoisseur ... straight to the point, until I saw his picture. It turned out he did not understand Cezanne.
And many others, it seems that the earlier art was clear and informative, but is no longer.
This is misleading. Modern art has always been easy to understand very little of the audience.
Picasso said that he deceives the public by placing a picture of recognizable objects. But the audience appeared contact with the painting, and Picasso's popularity.
Because of the Soviet Union, Russia has been disconnected from the world process, and now, when all of humanity flooded the turned on us, our backwardness became apparent. In the U.S. abstraction accept and understand a lot of people, not necessarily very sophisticated, there is simply an abstraction - it's the natural course of history, what their grandfathers during the Second World War and after :-)

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Сообщение от Igor Guryev (Сообщение 2319641)

In general, the art is not important insight and perception.
This is important in science - understanding .
And the art - it's not science , it's another .

True, but the perception we can not share or exchange , and understanding can. The very perception changes with experience and knowledge.

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Сообщение от Jasmin (Сообщение 2319731)

And why not discuss American artist?
In the sense that the Russian forum for Russian, right?
:)

But ARTinvestment Russian and considers it in its list of Top 20 Russian artists had put him in first place with " orange, red, yellow " and all over the world it is considered russian-
american painter .
:)

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 2319761)

It sometimes appears an artist who loves to rub quotations from letters Cezanne, other impressionists, connoisseur ... straight to the point, until I saw his picture.
It turned out he did not understand Cezanne.

What is so wrong copies Cezanne?
:)

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Сообщение от zarajara (Сообщение 2319631)

It requires some prior awareness, often appeals to the already known cultural patterns. Perceived in the historical cultural context. I happened many times to deal with people (not just students) who are watching (well, let's call it) contemporary art after pre-lecture conversation without it. The difference is usually striking.
In contrast to the figurative arts, and more or less realistic, in which at least one that is shown is perceived by all. Certainly perceived differently, but problems with pattern recognition there is no one else.
In contemporary art must learn to read the message of avoiding image, often against the inner aesthetic protest.
In other words you need aesthetic, psychological, historical, philosophical preconditioning.
In effect, you must have some set of codes that are not built into us by nature.
Let's say, the paintings of Bosch: about half of the way we now do not understand - codes are lost. For example the black birds symbolize his sin and the knowledge we reveals a small part of the meaning of this picture. But there is much that is still unclear. I think that a contemporary even noticed some elements to surprise us, and immediately read its meaning. As we look at the hammer and sickle immediately understand that this is the USSR, not tools.
But even with the lost codes we even recognize images Bosch. Now imagine a contemporary of Bosch, looking at an art object or a Rothko color field. For it to be something he knew would have to tell the whole way, which took humanity, with its wars and revolutions, with its styles and trends, with the globalization, problems etc.
Wrote a lot, I do not know if we can clarify something in his short phrase. :)

Zara, thank you for the answer, it is quite academic, like as not to argue about, if only on terms.

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learn to read the message of passing the image

Do I understand you that modern art - it is no longer a plastic and has become a textual? And all these arguments about Rothko just navsego consequence of this lack of understanding?

Or are all the same "brilliant stroke"?

can be nice man

And think of the beauty of nails ... (c) <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Jasmin (Сообщение 2319791)

And what is so wrong copies Cezanne?
:)

And you can well know and ponimate Cezanne, read and quote his letter, but do not copy it.
Pedstavlyaete?
Nightmare!
:)

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Сообщение от Jasmin (Сообщение 2319731)

And why not discuss American artist ? In the sense that the Russian forum for Russian , right? :)

No, I'm asking about the same interest .

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I do not really understand what is the interest to discuss

Just ball blah about the scoop and blasted about freedom ? No , not interested.
can

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As Cayce ? As the study of the demand for investment in his work ?

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Сообщение от Jasmin (Сообщение 2319731)

The computer is not capable of doing something , of what the human brain .

Exactly the opposite is also true.

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Сообщение от Igor Guryev (Сообщение 2319641)

This is important in science - understanding.

They have in common - an explanation.

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Just a ball-blah about the scoop and blasted about freedom?

What herds gifts of freedom?

They should be cut or cut.

Their inheritance from generation to genera

Yoke from gremushkami da Beach.
(a) :D