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Кирилл Сызранский 07.05.2013 09:18

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Сообщение от Sergey11; 2586791 "
Cyril again, we're talking about the dealers and not for beginners

Yes , I'm talking about the dealers , but dealers are not born and simple pots potters , not gods .

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Сообщение от Sergey11; 2586791 "
and Gazprom and grandmother can buy without a thorough study of the market

Maybe , but "grandmother" constantly buying " cut paper " in scams.

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Сообщение от Sergey11; 2586791 "
But people who earn their securities and investments in several orders of magnitude greater than the mes who earn only on Art.

About the securities do not know anything at all and even , frankly , do not care.

mihailovoh 07.05.2013 09:48

Sergey11,
About Gazprom . Earned in the old days horosho.A cost more than 120 rubles . ( Epll fell by 4 times. Chto.Usmanov well and goof - buys )
! 5 percent in real estate -Times went so 5 years ago.
So do not discourage beginners. Did not have all the dealers , they are for. Helping beginners do oshibok.soblyudaya course my interest .
The topic was named authors are not bad and quite adequate tseny.ya wish him good luck and "good advisers ."
I bought a decent work of well-known contemporary authors on the forum at the same prices and very pleased with the result (for the last 5 years). Names needed? Or interest ?

artcol 07.05.2013 10:01

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2586851)

I bought a decent work of well-known contemporary authors on the forum at the same prices and very pleased with the result (for the last 5 years). Names needed? Or interest?

At a minimum percentages needed - it's interesting.

Konstantin 07.05.2013 10:41

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2586851)
Names for? Or interest?

Certainly needed.

Without names and specific examples of the conversation rather wishful thinking.
Buying for 30,000 rubles.
now let a good artist, but with the last name "is not at the hearing" will have to wait for higher prices be 10 to 20 years, and then only with a probability of no more than 5%.

mihailovoh 07.05.2013 10:41

artcol,
  Would not that be Adversiting ? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
 Where there is more than 200 percent of the L Voronova.B Kocheyshvili With Alferov.B Koshelohov.N Rotanov.A Buh.K Medvedeva.S Agroskin
 And more than 100 percent Grositsky . H Vologzhanin.grafika A Zvereva .
 I'm not talking about the acquired some works of authors ( if interested I'll write .) But only " specific system "
 If you raise the bar higher purchase 30-50 trubley.mozhno call yet ....
Constantine
A Ishin at the hearing ? wonderful hudozhnik.ne dootsenenny contemporaries and at this price you can buy excellent work.

artcol 07.05.2013 10:53

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2586941)
artcol,
  Would not that be Adversiting ? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
 Where there is more than 200 percent of the L Voronova.B Kocheyshvili With Alferov.B Koshelohov.N Rotanov.A Buh.K Medvedeva.S Agroskin
 And more than 100 percent Grositsky . H Vologzhanin.grafika A Zvereva .
 I'm not talking about the acquired some works of authors ( if interested I'll write .) But only " specific system "
 If you raise the bar higher purchase 30-50 trubley.mozhno call yet ....
Constantine
A Ishin on listening to ? wonderful hudozhnik.ne dootsenenny contemporaries and at this price you can buy excellent work .

That is, You bought on the secondary market the work of one of the artists vysheozvuchennyh ( invested ), and after a while (what ? ) Sold on the secondary market as it is N times more expensive ( back embedded with a profit ) . I understand you correctly?

Konstantin 07.05.2013 10:55

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2586941)
More than 100 per cent A Grositsky.

In what year did you Grositsky 50 000.
buy?

But in general, the correct names are named, agrees.

mihailovoh 07.05.2013 11:06

artcol,
Is not correct. of each of these authors was buying 10 to 30 edenits.prodaval only to.chto less like a price increase in razy.vse else from me.
Constantine
A Grositsky in 2007 to 2009 can be had for the price to buy a full- ety of work (say the crisis was.) . Now you can only find the maximum chamber 50-35 sm.tolko need a great desire and terpenie.My 're talking about inttervale in about 5 years .
The names speak only about the tastes and predpochteniyah.a luck in investing comes with a good guide to tch.i analysis of the forum .

Кирилл Сызранский 07.05.2013 11:19

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2586971)
We're talking about inttervale in about 5 years.

5 years ago Grositsky things can still be bought for 50,000 rubles.

mihailovoh 07.05.2013 11:45

Cyril Syzransky,
There's just take the first job A Grositsky . Medvedeva By A Raven - making and happy .
Sorry. Oleg does not want to keep Gelos at a decent level for him .
Constantine thanks for the advice note from Alferov . Igor for H Vologzhanina and many other forum users .

artcol 07.05.2013 13:01

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2586971)
artcol,
Is not correct. of each of these authors was buying 10 to 30 edenits.prodaval only to.chto less like a price increase in razy.vse else from me.
Constantine
A Grositsky in 2007 to 2009 can be had for the price to buy a full- ety of work (say the crisis was.) . Now you can only find the maximum chamber 50-35 sm.tolko need a great desire and terpenie.My 're talking about inttervale in about 5 years .
The names speak only about the tastes and predpochteniyah.a luck in investing comes with a good guide to tch.i analysis of the forum .

Bought at Gelos and sold ?

Капитон 07.05.2013 13:35

mihailovoh, thanks to you and the other members of my theme
                          It is very instructive !
So you can take your first amateurish conclusions
For 30 - 50tr , very possible, but you need to shoot in the top ten
Know when and where to buy

But what about the concept of " love "?
Artists mentioned in my first post
Invest in a group are not included , except Konysheva , that I 'm in it!
Here, as I understand it is necessary to clearly separate the concept of " investing " and " hobby"
  Concerning Lucy Raven - love it!
The blessing of her work are often at Gelos , and not just

In a word farther into the woods , the thicker the guerrillas

mihailovoh 07.05.2013 13:35

The first of these authors discovered on Gelose.davno do not buy there .
 Auktsionah.otdaval selling on the implementation of and familiar - well below the course of auctions ... gave in PM and museums (but only when there was a dostoynoe.zhalko rastovatsya ) .
For me it is not a source of suschestvovaniya.a to.chto remain grandchildren.
There interesnaya.no funny formula.Esli set was purchased with autsionnym prices ( eg Sovkom.Shishkina , etc. ) you should get 250-350 per cent on investments 5 years ago. \\\\ Divided by the percentage of care. (Eg 35-38 on average). Means you are not mistaken with a choice , as the price and likvidnostyu.Proverte on their works.

Added after 33 minutes
Capito,

If the artist is not included in your concept of "investment-group." Means evaluated today adekvatno.eto not znachit.chto it better or worse or prices will not rise.

H Konysheva works on the market a lot of buy-luchshego.budet eye pleasing and certainly not lose.

Кирилл Сызранский 07.05.2013 15:37

Вложений: 3
Here Grositsky with Gelos:

Добавлено через 1 час 45 минут
Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2587461 "
Start : 17000 Estimate: 25,000 - 30,000 Maintenance: 34,000 rubles.

In the $ if it was :
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Start : $ 630
Estimate: $ 930 - $ 1200
Maintenance: $ 1,300

At present, the auction record Grosnitskogo :
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Sky and objects
1986
x /m
 96x128
30.11.2007
 Macdougall
Lot 419
Estimate 5000 - 7000 GBP ( 10,281 - 14,393 USD, 7026 - 9836 EUR)
The result of 10,600 GBP ( 21 796 USD, 14 895 EUR)
 


Кирилл Сызранский 07.05.2013 17:22

Вложений: 1
Цитата:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2587461 "
Start : 17000 Estimate: 25,000 - 30,000 Maintenance: 34,000 rubles.

In the $ if it was :
Цитата:

Start : $ 630
Estimate: $ 930 - $ 1200
Maintenance: $ 1,300

At present, the auction record Grosnitskogo :
Цитата:

Sky and objects
1986
x /m
 96x128
30.11.2007
 Macdougall
Lot 419
Estimate 5000 - 7000 GBP ( 10,281 - 14,393 USD, 7026 - 9836 EUR)
The result of 10,600 GBP ( 21 796 USD, 14 895 EUR)
 



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