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NATA NOVA 08.01.2012 12:39

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 1915351)
Finally, a useful suggestion.

A good trick is not pressure, but what you are doing me a favor.
     

In my opinion, it is common courtesy ....?

Fed 08.01.2012 13:46

Politeness in doing a favor?

In commodity-transport relationship is always desirable politeness.

Maskit 08.01.2012 13:47

Igor, you right - caliber has also met with znachenie.Ya Žilina , was in his studio , drinking brandy and talked about the past and future to the arts. And about life in general. He's a good artist and a wonderful teacher . Many of his students became academicians and folk - Nesterov, Ishin , Nazarenko , Nechitailo and etc. By the way his grandfather was the very Serov, but I have a friend, Dmitri is able to develop creative characteristics of students , rather than demanding that they would do as well as he . Other teachers, such as Andrei Vasnetsov, Nicholas Andronov disciples out as clones and now the trouble with them .

NATA NOVA 08.01.2012 14:16

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Сообщение от Maskit; 1915271"
better to ask , whether he could afford to sell you this job for such a tsenu.Poverte result will be more successful. And do not always have to immediately buy a case of first nedogovorennosti.Mozhno say that you have not lost the desire to buy these works for a price. In most cases you will soon call on the artist with the adoption of your proposal because of the prevailing circumstances of his .

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Сообщение от Fed; 1916251"

Politeness in doing a favor ?

Fed, where do you see otdolzhenie ? It is quite a cultural attempt to resolve conflicts of interest ... ( in my opinion ..)

Маруся 09.01.2012 18:39

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Сообщение от iside; 1914971"
another artist that terrible competitor first and work, which I also liked. An appointment , saying, as the article , not a word about the exhibition. I arrived , a table covered with the artist shines, the whole shop for me.
Q: With which of the two artists I 'm working on ?

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Сообщение от iside; 1914271"
Pay the ticket first class Emirates from Dubai and I will gladly fly to you dear artist at the opening of your wonderful First Show!

I , after these messages generally no longer understand anything in artinvestmente ... Is this all there is to dealer /gallery owner (except for the "return" , of course) ? ?

Therefore consulted with senior colleagues and I propose to do so: to be thrown off the ticket , so the table - we nakroem in the best traditions ! ( and not just once ...) ask (all together ), Sergei also add a free interview

So what we should bring happiness to the dealer ?

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Сообщение от iside; 1914971"
another artist that terrible competitor first and work, which I also liked. An appointment , saying, as the article , not a word about the exhibition. I arrived , a table covered with the artist shines, the whole shop for me.
Q: With which of the two artists I 'm working on ?

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Сообщение от iside; 1914271"
Pay the ticket first class Emirates from Dubai and I will gladly fly to you dear artist at the opening of your wonderful First Show!

I , after these messages generally no longer understand anything in artinvestmente ... Is this all there is to dealer /gallery owner (except for the "return" , of course) ? ?

Therefore consulted with senior colleagues and I propose to do so: to be thrown off the ticket , so the table - we nakroem in the best traditions ! ( and not just once ...) ask (all together ), Sergei also add a free interview

So what we should bring happiness to the dealer ?

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Сообщение от iside; 1914971"
another artist that terrible competitor first and work, which I also liked. An appointment , saying, as the article , not a word about the exhibition. I arrived , a table covered with the artist shines, the whole shop for me.
Q: With which of the two artists I 'm working on ?

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Сообщение от iside; 1914271"
Pay the ticket first class Emirates from Dubai and I will gladly fly to you dear artist at the opening of your wonderful First Show!

I , after these messages generally no longer understand anything in artinvestmente ... Is this all there is to dealer /gallery owner (except for the "return" , of course) ? ?

Therefore consulted with senior colleagues and I propose to do so: to be thrown off the ticket , so the table - we nakroem in the best traditions ! ( and not just once ...) ask (all together ), Sergei also add a free interview

So what we should bring happiness to the dealer ?

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Сообщение от iside; 1914971"
another artist that terrible competitor first and work, which I also liked. An appointment , saying, as the article , not a word about the exhibition. I arrived , a table covered with the artist shines, the whole shop for me.
Q: With which of the two artists I 'm working on ?

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Сообщение от iside; 1914271"
Pay the ticket first class Emirates from Dubai and I will gladly fly to you dear artist at the opening of your wonderful First Show!

I , after these messages generally no longer understand anything in artinvestmente ... Is this all there is to dealer /gallery owner (except for the "return" , of course) ? ?

Therefore consulted with senior colleagues and I propose to do so: to be thrown off the ticket , so the table - we nakroem in the best traditions ! ( and not just once ...) ask (all together ), Sergei also add a free interview

So what we should bring happiness to the dealer ?

Peter 09.01.2012 19:16

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Сообщение от Maskit (Сообщение 1915141)
Of course, there are different experiences with the artist - a true artist is always a person and not always easy. There they also have different circumstances , hangovers, dipressii , fatigue, or someone's visit to vas.U I was not successful experiments first visits to the artists with whom we became friends in the future with all its consequences . We must have perseverance and be able to wait any experience will be useful and you all will be well .

The sincerity , her little business in otnosheniyah.A if relationships built on mutual respect and friendship! Enriches communication , the look of the artist, erudition and subtle taste of the dealer's total love for iskusstvu.Kak much it can give both of them ! Friends always understand each other, enter into another position and is not enough, the economic component of affairs only to win ! :)>

Seriy 09.01.2012 20:34

Maroussia, why do we need dealers, who have no money for a ticket?

Маруся 09.01.2012 20:44

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1917551)

Maroussia, why do we need dealers who do not


Like why to learn something (see my post above)

NATA NOVA 09.01.2012 20:54

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Сообщение от Peter; 1917461"
sincerity , her little business in otnosheniyah.A if relationships built on mutual respect and friendship! Enriches communication , the look of the artist, erudition and subtle taste of the dealer's total love for iskusstvu.Kak much it can give both of them ! Friends always understand each other, enter into another position and is not enough, the economic component of affairs only to win !

Peter, in general, (unfortunately) in the surrounding reality, quite a few things ( events , realities , phenomena ), we controlled . Style relationship - this is one of the few who ( with rare exceptions) it depends entirely on us and we are entirely responsible for the way we express ourselves .
Insincere business relationship built (usually by mutual ) manipulation, and the implication ratsi0onalizatsiyah zhivyt and long, and end badly , and the precipitate ( aftertaste ) unhealthy ..
In your power to avoid them , much to lose, and keep the balance of the soul !

iosif 09.01.2012 22:00

Cyril Syzran, I do not know, I do not know ...
That is, when it comes to resale (net of business), we agree.
But if on the progress of a still "love the artist's work" and "work with him" - things almost inseparable, in my opinion

тандем 09.01.2012 22:01

How should we talk to artists about painting ......
Why even talk about it with artists painting??
Is when you mow, be sure to talk to about a hairdresser scissors, comb, and techniques of cutting, and when riding in a taxi, always talking to on the spark plugs or driving style? Similarly, only deal with the ignorant and profane.
This category, by the way is the spontaneous buyers if the conversation comes to buying art ....
Little or less conversant knows that when you buy art from the creator or the venerable artist we should talk only about tsene.Raznitsa only in the fact that the creator of the price you set, and a veteran - he was an artist.
As for business and social otnosheniy.Eto incompatible! One excludes the other and not only communicating with the artists. No wonder they say, "Do you want to lose a friend - Get it or borrow it!"
 Drinking wine and brandy - a pleasant process, but only after a mutually beneficial transaction sdelki.Pered drink only fools or t.k.obscheizvestno ....... - things to do sober, so no hard feelings afterwards.
Want to talk about painting, find an equal in the knowledge of the issue "a connoisseur - a teapot" or iskusstvoveda.Chto however, and one tozhe.I Talk on health, at least until it stops.

iosif 09.01.2012 22:10

tandem, business and friendship very much compatible. Just have a set of rigid rules that must be written ( necessarily written) before the start of joint activities. Twenty years ago I did not see it , and sold another. Now quite easy to work with friends and relatives. The question of technology, rather than principle.

Вивьен 09.01.2012 22:12

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Сообщение от tandem (Сообщение 1917671)
As for business and social otnosheniy.Eto incompatible!

Personally familiar with the gallery owners, who in the beautiful friendships with artists, who in their contract.

iside 09.01.2012 22:15

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Сообщение от Maroussia ; 1917421"
therefore consulted with senior colleagues and I propose to do so: to be thrown off the ticket , so the table - we nakroem in the best traditions ! ( and not just once ...)

Thank Maroussia :)>
I'm here, too, consulted with his senior colleagues and I have been told that even with the paid ticket and serving table - it will still be wasted time , so do not be hard and hope for a more favorable set of circumstances next time.

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Сообщение от Seriy; 1917551"
Maroussia , why do we need dealers, who have no money for a ticket ?

Seriy, all right , you see you already have to understand something , and yet even show has started. But rather a phrase was: 0 - how to find those with the money, 1 - and force them to spend money on you.

Good luck ! :D>

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Сообщение от Vivian ; 1917691"
personally familiar with the gallery owners, who are wonderful friends with the artists that they have a contract

Yes , otherwise nothing good turns :)>

Кирилл Сызранский 09.01.2012 22:18

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 1917661)
Cyril Syzran, I do not know , I do not know ... That is, when it comes to resale (net of business ), we agree. But if on the progress of a still " love the artist's work " and " work with him " - things almost inseparable, in my opinion

I like some writers , but they do not work , because with them , or work a long time , and others, and I understand - love for health, but it will not be able to sell zhivopim .
So could it be?
And it's not about " progress " it is . Yes, even though about the " progress ". What does " progress "? Is " progress " is not a business?


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