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Кирилл Сызранский 29.11.2011 13:28

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 1869841)
artists themselves identify themselves through it.

Come on you.
:D>

Komar & Melamid - yes.

artcol 29.11.2011 13:31

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1869831)
bought at the time it is not because of cheapness or exotic , customers understand the value of their acquisitions .

People are not untalented , no doubt, but the talent is worth the money , but I'm not talking about that ... Although belittle and cry the blues , too, is not correct - and good value , even more appreciated, so I'm just expressing my opinion in the range of competent people, so to speak - the general proposition :shy:>

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1869891)
Come on you. :D>
Komar & Melamid - yes.
Does not mean anything to me this fact . There is. Vkontekste history , yes.
But, I repeat , not for me .

No, please . Then there must be an alternative treatment , history of art in an informal seseserii . Now she is bipolar : official - not an official as an official denial . Plus a third group - regardless of ideology , regardless of the opposition - Krasnopevtsev, Nemukhin, Prygin etc. What other options?

Кирилл Сызранский 29.11.2011 13:51

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Сообщение от artcol; 1869901"
official - not an official as an official denial .

So, yeah, I guess.
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Сообщение от artcol; 1869901"
Plus, the third group - regardless of ideology , regardless of the opposition

That I do not know .
Artists were not in opposition , and the government in opposition to the artists.
They had differences of aesthetic order, among these artists were members of the party , and wounded veterans , and even pererannenye Hero of the Soviet Union. :D>

Vladimir 29.11.2011 16:46

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1869931)
and even the hero of the Soviet Union.

Yes, Tyapushkin http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=2591 According to the memoirs often came to the rescue.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.11.2011 17:06

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 1870191)
Yes, Tyapushkin

The same, Tyapushkin Alexei Alexandrovich (1919-1988), a member of Bulldozer Exhibition.

alexvadim 03.12.2011 00:47

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1870241)
He's, Tyapushkin Alexei Alexandrovich (1919-1988), a member of Bulldozer Exhibition.


Belyaev on the field Tyapushkin was still a spectator,

but took his first, and first as a hero, let him go.

But in Izmailovo he was the organizer.

манна 03.12.2011 04:27

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1866551)
Not a bad selection .
There, by the way , and today said Eugene Rukhin, and recently aforementioned Alexander Sitnikov and his wife Olga Bulgakov .

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Сообщение от Alex Sander (Сообщение 1866741)
Super- operation. But this is understandable, yet I collection of Dodge ... There's a lot more . :)>

On 2 of Rukhin , 268 and 269 lots on the site are in red. Collection from 242 to 276 lots. I myself am on the third day Nesterov look .... and I do not know ... but of course with authority can not say anything ... so .. thinking out loud .

Алек Сандер 05.12.2011 10:44

Well , the red LED experts assign the copyright to many works. On this is not always necessary to pay attention . As far as these works Rukhin , real hard to find. First , a collection of Dodge, who bought all their stuff , when there was no fraud ( not your second collection Glezer ), well and secondly , both pictures were published in the album, which was responsible for the Heritage Foundation Rukhin. So impeccable provenance . And the work are excellent.

In general, many pictures of Dodge Rukhin. He bought directly from the artist , and immediately took out , back in the seventies.

Михалыч 05.12.2011 10:56

I wonder how much goes Esipovich Ali poster.

манна 05.12.2011 20:21

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Сообщение от [QUOTE
Alec Sander ; 1877821 ] Well , the red LED experts assign the copyright to many works. On this is not always necessary to pay attention . As far as these works Rukhin , real hard to find. First , a collection of Dodge, who bought all their stuff , when there was no fraud ( not your second collection Glezer ), well and secondly , both pictures were published in the album, which was responsible for the Heritage Foundation Rukhin. So impeccable provenance . And excellent work .[/

"In this is not always necessary to pay attention . " - That this statement does not agree to your . Pay attention .. and we must always do ( buy ) it is natural to rely on themselves and their knowledge. ( for example, that they appear in the album) . Generally Rukhin totally not my "hero." Krasnopevtseva saw published. About the Dodge I know, but you will agree , so many crooks around :)> :D>, admixed to the Dodge Glaser ( second collection ) or Glazer and voila! Incidentally, both Rukhin sold, 22 and 24 thousand

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Сообщение от Mihalich ; 1877831"
I wonder how much goes Esipovich Ali poster .

Do not leave.

fross 05.12.2011 20:28

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Сообщение от Alex Sander (Сообщение 1877821)
Well , the red LED experts assign the copyright to many works. On this is not always necessary to pay attention . As far as these works Rukhin , real hard to find. First , a collection of Dodge, who bought all their stuff , when there was no fraud ( not your second collection Glezer ), well and secondly , both pictures were published in the album, which was responsible for the Heritage Foundation Rukhin. So impeccable provenance . And the work are excellent.

In general, many pictures of Dodge Rukhin. He bought directly from the artist , and immediately took out , even in the seventies .

And how do we know what works from the collection of Dodge ? As far as I know the collection was transferred to the University without the right to sell. Could be wrong, but at least some of what I saw, and some of the work sold in galleries in the U.S. until recently.

манна 05.12.2011 20:55

Here I am about the same.
:)>

Алек Сандер 06.12.2011 00:54

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Сообщение от fross (Сообщение 1878351)
And how do we know what works from the collection of Dodge? As far as I know the collection was transferred to the University without the right to sell. Could be wrong, but at least some of what I saw, and some of the work sold in galleries in the U.S. until recently.

Well, first, a whole department devoted to this auction is a collection of Dodge, but not built with the world on a string, that could cause to doubt the provenance. You do not doubt that there Krasnopevtsev? If still in doubt, read the name of a specialist advisor - Alla Rosenfeld. If you do not know, then I'll explain: she has long worked with the Dodge, even wrote a book with him, more than that is almost the major Western expert on Russian non-conformist. And every collection of Dodge she knows firsthand. Secondly, as I said, these papers have been published in the album Rukhin, which was published with the assistance of the fund Rukhin. And this album is also written that the two works belong to the dojo. Oh fund something you can believe any. And thirdly, and who told you that Dodge gave the entire collection? Vaughn, Kostaki also bequeathed his collection to the museum. What made things out of it at last, "Christie" - "Sotheby's"?

Based on the foregoing, Rukhin with such a reinforced concrete provenance was sold for a mere penny. And what can I do if the experts did not consider the site of all these factors?

2 manna

You very rightly noted: first of all must rely on their knowledge.

Smirnoff 07.12.2011 00:30

Total:

Sold Kandinsky.
Most of the graphics Bruni did not sell .
Krasnopevtsev , Sveshnikov , Nemukhin and Weisberg - sold all the lots .
Ovchinnikov has not caused interessa the customers exactly how and Brewers but Rukhin left whole .

The result for the current demand for non-conformists great , however, and prices compared with London below , in spite of good provenance .

Should probably revise pricing policy for a number of trends in Russian art , or the sad results of the tenders will not take long to wait.

Konstantin 07.12.2011 11:28

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Сообщение от Alec Sander ; 1878721"
Based on the foregoing , Rukhin with such a reinforced concrete provenance was sold for a mere penny . And what can I do if the experts did not consider the site of all these factors ?

Experts have seen these arguments and held to his opinion . We are ready to talk Administration . If there is a documented provenance (photo, contract , other) then once all issues are removed .
By the way Alla Rosenfeld, will be in Moscow next week and we will be able to talk to her .


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