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L-ana64110 01.06.2010 17:46

What is vkusovschina?
Sweet? Sharp little?
Or can anyone on a diet?

Игорь Гурьев 01.06.2010 19:00

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 1131602)
It seems to me that the task of critics to be able to analyze the processes occurring in a specific field of art and based on extensive knowledge of the work of many artists and entire generations of artists to conclude that the creation of a certain artist or group of artists.

This, of course, well, if there is some "processes".

And if they do not exist?

Pavel 01.06.2010 21:35

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1131622)
Pavel, agrees with almost all your provisions, other than that "originality so gifted." It's more "modern" approach to the artist.
Interestingly it is unbiased kritik.On can make an artist think, and in that direction if I go, whether in my work "vkusovschiny" but did not change it myself for the sake of fame and money. "Honest criticism is also a rarity.

I think you're wrong. The critic need first preobretatelyam. acquiring a painting of a rather complicated exercise and evaluation buduyuschego collection depends not only from the names of many from the original author. There is a uniqueness I do not understand contemporaries, I have said many times. that it is in today's more difficult to be original, because everything has already been done long ago. Our artists will simply repeat passed and it is their tragedy. they can not yet understand, but worse than those who buys them.
Originality is the style of the artist by which it can accurately find even in the dark. An example of Van Gogh or Modelyani or .... What style adheres to the artist is not important, because he had the style and creates-whether real or not is not important, above all their own way.
The artist critic even a hindrance. The artist must understand better the critic and art historian.

Peter 01.06.2010 22:37

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Сообщение от L-ana64110 (Сообщение 1131682)
What is "vkusovschina?
Sweet? Sharp little?
Or can anyone on a diet?

"Vkusovschina" is kitsch, made professionally for udovoletvoreniya unpretentious taste viewer.

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 1131992)



 The artist must understand better the critic and art historian.

Here I will agree, but who can give an objective assessment of your creativity? Another artist? Critic? Spectator amateur? Art Dealer?

gans 01.06.2010 22:39

Alexander Sokurov about the critics.

V. Pozner: You know, I wonder, given what you said, your attitude to criticism. But I will go before this issue a couple of quotations. There was a great French poet Paul Eluard, who said: "Artist - eye, a critic - it points". But it's pretty cute, he said, but another, equally great poet, but English - his name was Samuel Coleridge - put it this way: "The critics - usually people who would have been poets, historians, biographers, and so forth, if would be able to: they are trying to use their abilities to one or the other, but to no avail, so they become critics ". Generally, major artists are usually like this, not very high opinion of critics. Here's your attitude to criticism?

Alexander Sokurov: is very important to me. It is very important to me because I have because no intersections with the critical interests of the people who are engaged in criticism, no: they do their job, I have been doing their work. This is another artistic creativity. And the critic is able to show me the way sometimes. If a person is well educated, for me it is very important. If this is a sensitive man who feels if a person who tries to understand the product, which he says, but does not illustrate my thoughts, because I'm better than any critic I know that I did not succeed in the movie: My films are composed entirely of flaws .

V. Pozner: And there was a case when the critic has written to you? You may remember this?

Alexander Sokurov: I can say. This is Michael Yampolsky. Unfortunately, he lives in the United States. Well, true, and now his attitude to what I do, in general, strongly changed in the negative direction. But there was a time when this man had tremendous significance for me, this is a man of great education, a unique artistic intuition, just a brilliant man. When he left Moscow, from Russia, for me it was a great loss. Livia A. Zvonnikova - our teacher vgikovsky, which we have read Russian and Soviet literature in VGIK, absolutely brilliant man. And these people ... Actually, I believe is crucial meeting, a conversation with a man who smarter than me, educated me and that something can I open. I am looking for all along it. And I really like it. This is for me a miracle for some.

http://vladimirpozner.ru/?p=554

Игорь Гурьев 01.06.2010 22:58

Any artist is always interesting opinions about their work.

Only monomaniacs who do not want to hear anything about his work or wish to have them nodding, are "condescending" attitude to criticism.

Criticism of the arts - not such a simple little exercise, as it may seem to some.

To do that you need and education, and sensitivity, and sense of style, and understanding of art.

Pavel 01.06.2010 23:05

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1132102)
"Vkusovschina" is kitsch, made professionally for udovoletvoreniya unpretentious taste of the viewer.



Here I will agree, but who can give an objective assessment of your creativity? Another artist? Critic? Spectator amateur? Art Dealer?

The buyer, a lover, collector, all other intermediaries.

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1132142)
Any artist is always interesting opinions about their work.

Only monomaniacs who do not want to hear anything about his work or wish to have them nodding, are "condescending" attitude to criticism.

Criticism of the arts - not such a simple little exercise, as it may seem to some.

To do that you need and education, and sensitivity, and sense of style, and understanding of art.

If this is not the artist should be engaged in what he understands.

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 1132132)
Alexander Sokurov about the critics.

V. Pozner: You know, I wonder, given what you said, your attitude to criticism. But I will go before this issue a couple of quotations. There was a great French poet Paul Eluard, who said: "Artist - eye, a critic - it points". But it's pretty cute, he said, but another, equally great poet, but English - his name was Samuel Coleridge - put it this way: "The critics - usually people who would have been poets, historians, biographers, and so forth, if would be able to: they are trying to use their abilities to one or the other, but to no avail, so they become critics ". Generally, major artists are usually like this, not very high opinion of critics. Here's your attitude to criticism?

Alexander Sokurov: is very important to me. It is very important to me because I have because no intersections with the critical interests of the people who are engaged in criticism, no: they do their job, I have been doing their work. This is another artistic creativity. And critic in a position to show me some way. If a person is well educated, for me it is very important. When it is a sensitive man who feels if a person who tries to understand the product, which he said, but did not illustrate my thoughts, because I know better than any critic, that I did not work in the film: My films are composed entirely of flaws .

V. Pozner: And there was a case when the critic has written to you? You may remember this?

Alexander Sokurov: I can say. This is Michael Yampolsky. Unfortunately, he lives in the United States. Well, true, and now his attitude to what I do, generally, has changed decisively in the negative direction. But there was a time when this man had tremendous significance for me, this is a man of great education, a unique artistic intuition, just a brilliant man. When he left Moscow, from Russia, for me it was a great loss. Livia A. Zvonnikova - our teacher vgikovsky, which we have read Russian and Soviet literature in VGIK, absolutely brilliant man. And these people ... Actually, I believe is crucial meeting, the conversation with a man who smarter than me, educated me and that something can I open. I am looking for all along it. And I really like it. This for me was a miracle for some.

http://vladimirpozner.ru/?p=554

Another form of art.

Peter 01.06.2010 23:14

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1132142)
Any artist is always interesting opinions about their work.

Interesting, but not always "useful." Useful is the opinion of the person taste and whose authority is trusted by artist (this may be a critic, and another artist)

Art-lover 02.06.2010 00:16

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 1132132)
Alexander Sokurov: It is very important to me. It is very important to me because I have because no intersections with the critical interests of the people who are engaged in criticism, no: they do their job, I'm doing my thing. This is another arts. AND critic in a position sometimes to show me the way. If this people well-educated, for me it is very important. If this man sensitive, a sensitive, if a man, who is trying to understand the product, which he says, but does not illustrate my thoughts, because I'm better than any critic I know that I did not succeed in the film: My films are composed entirely of flaws.

Almost exhaustive list of qualities of an ideal critic.
Same, but shorter: critic - the alter ego of the artist.

Pavel 02.06.2010 17:30

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1132222)
Interesting, but not always "useful." Useful is the opinion of the person taste and whose authority is trusted by artist (this may be a critic, and another artist)

If there is such a person, even if he is, and will how to write. Matisse and Picasso, Van Gogh and Cezanne once treated and nothing great. This is purely bred here, kandovoe of the school-master will come here ... No tips from artists, myself, myself. Iskustvovedov interested lure pictures, and friends, at times where and what to buy.


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