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Peter 21.05.2010 10:35
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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1113802)
A Did you ever head this idea that this one all the globalization, that these outrages in all spheres of life is what you vseobemlyuschaya planetary "checking for lice? Check out and how much we own in ourselves? Sprosobny we have is either only the "product" of this outrage?
And in general, "reasonable" if the person being? I am so very often visits the feeling that the word "reasonable" from the title "Homo sapiens upright" (Homo Sapiens Erectus)
as a lost (dropped, at least for most of us)
You can blame being, but you can with the knowledge to work.
Your choice.
"The check for lice" man is constantly making their moral choices in a given situation, but there are times when testing a lot subjected lyudey.Ranee they were local war, then revolution, civil war and finally mirovye.Seychas we check humanity "consumer society". Do not lose a man the mind in pursuit of "living benefits", for prestige, for the "golden calf." The economic crisis has become for many a cold dushem.Da life around us, being, forced Rights to the sole and all-consuming goal, the welfare (and in some it is a struggle for survival). This is something which takes most of zhizni.Esche Solzhenitsyn remarked that a man has no sense of mery.Mir around me, but the feeling in it there is only a product of human soznaniya.Esli want to be happy, be it!

NATA NOVA 21.05.2010 11:17
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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1114002)
Even Solzhenitsyn remarked that a man has no sense of proportion.
Sorry, Solzhenitsyn, personally I-IS! (Or ball-bird?)

Second-"survival rate" is also different because-"Who soup liquid, to whom pearls (auctions) crayons ...


And as for inspection "consumer society" because it is well recognized in the art: "Tell me that you art-and I will tell you how" "

Peter, thanks for reminding me. (So)

K-Maler 21.05.2010 12:29
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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 1113832)
Edward Steinberg.
Da.Spasibo that corrected. Others who are "in the subject, too, suggests that" not understand the "for sale only with difficulty. We still buy things related to politics, underground, etc. But is this: when the artists 'new' tried to make this "direction", it does not pass. They say "what are you underground (or non-conformism), you're already 80-s, for example, years, everything was possible" ... etc. Therefore, I have the impression that is some reverse movement, something akin to "turn to the picture, in its original sense. Plus fine problem, as always. I mean what are now called "interior painting", which is always a good level of commercial demand.

artcol 21.05.2010 12:37
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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 1114142)
Da.Spasibo that corrected. Others who are "in the subject, too, suggests that" not understand the "for sale only with difficulty. We still buy things related to politics, underground, etc. But is this: when the artists 'new' tried to make this "direction", it does not pass. They say "what are you underground (or non-conformism), you're already 80-s, for example, years, everything was possible" ... etc. Therefore, I have the impression that is some reverse movement, something akin to "turn to the picture, in its original sense. Plus fine problem, as always. I mean what are now called "interior painting", which is always a good level of commercial demand.
Do not forget that art can be politically motivated. In the Soviet Union - Socialist Realism in the U.S. - abstract expressionism (suspended), a global empire - something of their own. There is a fashion, politesse, the price of admission ticket to high society, etc. This is important. And the market - a trifle.
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I mean what are now called "interior painting", which is always a good level of commercial demand.
Yes, already 500 years old as.

Кирилл Сызранский 21.05.2010 12:45
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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 1114142)
I mean what are now called "interior painting", which is always a good level of commercial demand.
Begs comparison with the world of fashion.
There are haute couture (haute couture) and pret-a-porter (pret-a-porter).
Couture sets the tone throughout the international fashion, gives trends. On this basis, the industry starts for the people (for "interior") about the quality pre-à-porter.
Yes, it is understandable that these "wild" model with no hits will not be like nobody installations with the Biennale in the house is empty.
It is important, in my opinion, and in the fine arts not to be confused Couture with pre-a-porter.
The people, then yes, buying pre-a-porter (width goods. Bunks. Consumption), but the tone is set by the creators of couture: they define "what will be" and that industry (the bulk of artists in our case) to sew these shirnarmass.

NATA NOVA 21.05.2010 12:47
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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 1114142)
I mean what are now called "interior painting", which is always a good level of commercial demand
Only the "quality" (in the sense of its essence), ie the element which makes it sobstvennno "on demand" in different "formations" on prezhdnemu - different .. (IMHO)
"The fact that the Russian-sensibly, then the German-death"

If no trouble, you can demand examples interior painting (in Russia, for example)

21.05.2010 18:33
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1114162)
.... tone is set by the creators of haute couture: they determine" what will be "and that the industry (the bulk of artists in our case) to sew these shirnarmass.
In theory, the comparison is quite acceptable, but in practice, in life, all the way around.
Installations constructing mainly those creators who are not able to create anything worthwhile in understanding "shirnarmass" (leave it to the definition on your conscience COP <!--~ a ~-->)
As one of Odessa's "forever young" creator installations - "what you cling to me" Well do not obtain my rights. "

Кирилл Сызранский 21.05.2010 18:41
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Сообщение от Vyacheslav (Сообщение 1114522)
... leave this determination on your conscience COP ...
"Conscience! Lord, thou God did mine!
Well, OK, leave ... leave ...
Let my conscience be uncomfortable to use the word "shirnarmass".

He filled this word in yandakse-found 7290 pages:
http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?clid=30256&text =%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0% D1%81 %D1%81 & lr = 51
Widely employed appeal to the conscience of the word do not want this, Vyacheslav?

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Сообщение от Vyacheslav (Сообщение 1114522)
Installations constructing mainly those creators who are not able to create anything worthwhile in understanding" shirnarmass ".
Yes, and some Yoji Yamamoto, John Galliano or, or Jean-Paul Gaultier will not be able to sew a winter coat with a drape astrakhan collar. Exactly! :D
A Vivienne Westwood and Donna Karan woman w /a coat of gabardine ... :p

Самвел 22.05.2010 12:13
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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 1113802)
And do not Have you ever head this idea that this one all the globalization, there are outrageous in all spheres of life is what you vseobemlyuschaya planetary "checking for lice? Check out as much as themselves have in ourselves? Sprosobny we have is either only the "product" of this outrage?
And in general, "reasonable" if the person being? I am so very often visits the feeling that the word "reasonable" from the title of "upright Homo sapiens" (Homo Sapiens Erectus)
as a lost (dropped, at least for most of us)
You can blame being, but you can with the knowledge to work.
Your choice.
Honestly I also came to this idea, at the expense of a reasonable person, especially after viewing the current hype, or as real estate agents hang to deceive the public, as psihologi.s combine my cheap tricks extract money from lost souls. Be yourself soboy.eto most slozhnoe.i think the purpose for Homo sapiens. At that unfortunately can only odinochki.Semya, deti.skovyvayut human freedom, and difficult to be yourself. I think that we should seek salvation for themselves and their loved ones, the world is not saved, but the individual as long as possible. Yes, I understand that so do not build a society, but nobody does not require this of nas.Vse these acts of solidarity with lighted svechami.eto sentimentaltnosti only, and is false, may I speak harshly, but I think so.

artcol 22.05.2010 12:25
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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 1115722)
To be honest I also came to this idea, at the expense of a reasonable person, especially after viewing the current hype, or as real estate agents hang to deceive the public, as psihologi.s combine my cheap tricks extract money from lost souls. Be yourself soboy.eto most slozhnoe.i think the purpose for Homo sapiens. At that unfortunately can only odinochki.Semya, deti.skovyvayut human freedom, and difficult to be yourself. I think that we should seek salvation for themselves and their loved ones, the world is not saved, but the individual as long as possible. Yes, I understand that so do not build a society, but nobody does not require this of nas.Vse these acts of solidarity with lighted svechami.eto sentimentaltnosti only, and is false, may I speak harshly, but I think so.
Samvel, singles are not saved. Is an illusion. Who than can be: who lit candles, who own life.


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