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Кирилл Сызранский 16.05.2011 15:45

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Сообщение от Santa; 1635981 "
pictures without a competent restoration to sell the final buyer simply unreasonable .. tk neotrestavrirovannaya thing has absolutely nothing to the presentation , what exactly is lower price .

It depends on what picture . :) >
Many serious collectors have proven their restorers , who they have already restored much of the collection , they trust them and are only satisfied with his " restoration . "
Such collectors are faster and more likely to buy a "raw " thing is already seeing the volume of future work on its restoration , etc.

Santa 16.05.2011 16:02

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1635993)
Many serious collectors have proven their restorers , who they have already restored much of the collection , they trust them and are only satisfied with his " restoration ".

Of course .
Believe me, this issue is aware of more than 100%) )

from tandem
must consider each specific case .


It would be more correct .
In this theme ( in my opinion ) question one, but many sub-topics ..

тандем 16.05.2011 16:17

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Сообщение от LuDev (Сообщение 1635871)
.... what to do if you're in this area full of zero ...

Pay money for information ...... How many will say, and without any warranty.
As yet not get tired of going to the "complete zeros" or not to run out of money.

LuDev 16.05.2011 17:25

tandem, you understand that :
Pay money for information - this is normal , but not if ...
How many will say , and without any warranties
And in order to begin to understand the subject of a field requires more than one month , if not a year ...

In my opinion forum to exist, so you can get even a " nodding " presentation about something not yet earned on such information or is it not?

sergejnowo 16.05.2011 19:07

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Сообщение от Santa; 1635981"
you have them (a hole-puncture) after the restoration of a competent, with the naked eye could not see

exactly.


LuDev, all known in comparison.
The more unknowns (varying parameters), the less specific you can say.
I see in your matters of commercial interest, so a concrete example with numbers.
God forgive me the one who bought the work and the one who brought to mind and sold it.

An extract from the catalog:
Richter, Johann Heinrich
Koblenz 1803 - 1845
Portrait of Prince Maximilianowitsch Romanowsky (1812 - 1852). Signed and dated lower left: J. Richter ft. 1839. Oil on canvas. Relined. 76 x 62cm. Framed.
Prince Maximilianowitsch Romanwsky, represented here as a young man the year he married, was born in Munich in 1812 as Duke of Leuchtenberg. After he wed czarevna Nikolayewna Romanowna, he inherited the title "Prince Romanowsky" and the rank as Russian Generalmajor. 1840 he was attributed to "Imperial Highness" and was later adjutant to Czar Nikolaus. He died in 1852 in St. Petersburg.
Johann Heinrich Richter, a painter from Koblenz studied in Paris under Girodet and Gèrard, portrayed several members of the Leuchtenberg family, in his studio in Munich.


The work was sold to a couple of days ago at one of the auctions in Germany for 22.000 euros + 25%.
A couple of years ago it was sold to Ebee in terrible condition, unfortunately photographs remain.
A couple of decent holes, what type of 10 cm in length and a pair of small, 3 - 4 cm, although his face was virtually no damage.
Crumbling paint layer around the mechanical damage and so forth. Dirt does not count.
Care Ebee do not remember exactly, but within 500 - 1000 euros. Buy failed, it seemed expensive.

Photos + digits on the face,%can count themselves.

LuDev 16.05.2011 20:09

sergejnowo, thanks for a concrete example!
Again though I have the impression that it all depends on the chosen direction.
If the sale is planned through an auction or a gallery, then give a "lot" proper presentation is an important component.
If we move towards a consultant /facilitator, having been their customer base, we can, and in some cases even better (due to lack of necessary knowledge), leave everything as is.

Generally quite difficult to navigate. Unfortunately the forum is almost not covered by the theme "rakes", which can occur in any given situation, or even greater than a certain "guide" for people who want to sell most everything, but do not know how, where, why, etc. . Here are respected tandem proposes to pay for information. Immediately the question to whom, why, why him, etc. The number of galleries, reviews, restorers, and so on my head is spinning and while the situation seems so, for example, restoration - do not do not yet understand, you give the wrong place can permanently ruin where "there" again, it is not clear, and issues such darkness. I am pleased to be honored theme of man passing these stages with expert commentary or read to specialists in the subject, such as my first restoration of the painting "- in fact all the same to start somewhere ... I understand that the topic is really not as cool" commercial and most of it earns, but still can someone wants to share their experiences ....

Toinen 16.05.2011 21:04

Strange theme!

sergejnowo 16.05.2011 21:15

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Сообщение от LuDev (Сообщение 1636201)
Actually quite difficult to navigate .

in this case it is your fault .
As they say, correctly a question , it is half the answer .
You do not say specifically what you want .
If you hold a picture in a deplorable state , and you think , how to be ....
What is there to hide the icon , show the work and you tell - show .
And wait for specific advice on indirect questions stupid .
Simply must be ......

LuDev 16.05.2011 22:17

I do not say specifically, since in this thread a lot of specificity (more than 100 themes) and a little common themes, where you can go and make all the necessary information.
Of course, I ask questions under their own situation, but it seems to me such a synthesis will be of interest to many.

Toinen 16.05.2011 22:19

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Сообщение от LuDev (Сообщение 1636411)
a synthesis of information will be of interest to many.


 
I do not think so.


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