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SergeiSK 25.06.2009 09:50

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Even prices. That sell.
Virgin of Kazan, 1894, 23h18 cm, $ 6000.

SAH 25.06.2009 10:24

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Сообщение от Sergeyitch (Сообщение 442656)
Tell me what more in price:
- Skills of the artist
- Labor-intensive technology
- Materials

Together obvious demand, it is difficult to find an old, but if you need more urgently. Such complex things (silver enamel) were always in the price, although 16t. my opinion is very expensive.

Allena 25.06.2009 11:02

I think the role played by the fact that until very recently enamel production in Rostov almost completely stopped, came down to a small mass consumption is fundamentally different even from what is done, say, 20 years ago. Those who are now doing so, most likely, trying to revive him, put on his feet. So the high price of technically complex things possible, carry with them such a component.
Several years ago, was in Rostov - poignant impression left town, though seemingly not the first time there was. And by the way, there in one of the monasteries saw the author of clay icons - color and neraskrashennye. Very interesting work. So trades in Rostov still revived.

25.06.2009 11:03

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 441906)
For the prayers you can use any icon, it is.
But the believer, just like any other, is able to assess a decent standard of painting.

Well of course, if the believer is able to assess the level of painting. It would not hurt "the believer, once in your life thoughtfully read the Bible
"Thou shalt not make for yourself an idol, and no images of what is in heaven above, and on earth beneath, or that in the water under the earth. Do not bow down to them nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, punishing the children for the iniquity of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, but showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me and keep My commandments "(Exodus 20: 4-6).
"Thus saith the Lord: Learn not the way of the heathen ... For the statutes of nations - a void: a tree cut down in the woods, wheel and his hands of the workman, with the ax, covered with silver and gold, and fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They - as machined pillar, and do not go, they are, because they can not walk. Do not be afraid of them, because they can not cause evil, but good to do ... can not empty the doctrine - that tree. Into plates silver is brought from Tarshish, and gold - from Ufaza: the case of the artist and the hands of the goldsmith; wear them - blue and purple: it all - work of cunning men ... Every man in his knowledge, disgracing himself every founder is my idol, for his molten they are false, and there is no breath in them. This is - are worthless, a work of delusion ... "(Jeremiah 10:2-5, 8-9; 14-15).

Евгений 25.06.2009 12:25

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 444876)
Virgin of Kazan, 1894, 23h18 cm, $ 6000.

Good icon, the only negative patina removed, nothing ..

moris 23.07.2009 09:36

There's Workshop "Finift Rostov"
http://finiftrostova.ru

K-Maler 24.07.2009 00:34

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV (Сообщение 444956)
"believer", once in your life thoughtfully read the Bible

Praying not "a piece of wood", and the fact that the image of points. Disputes about this was, but then decided that the image of Christ can do, because he really existed as a person.

Серж 24.07.2009 08:45

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Сообщение от SAH (Сообщение 444896)
old hard to find

The custom of decorating icon gold, silver and dragotsennmi stones arose with the icons themselves. In the early period of some icons of the entire cast from gold or silver. In the ninth century in the Byzantine world famous chased salaries that cover the entire surface of the icon, except the faces and hands. In addition to chasing used equipment filigree, beading, and enamel. Through such gilded silver icon's look cast of precious metal. Dear Hats perceived as clothing revered shrine and a sign of divine power and glory. Salaries supplemented crowns, Coruna, tsatami. Russian salaries from XIV to XVII century. produced mainly in technology stamping - Basma. Their decoration was initially repeated Byzantine designs, and then turn east, the Golden, motives, and finally began to focus on the European money of the Renaissance. Basmennye salaries consist of separate bands of silver, engraved, either on the field and the background of icons. In the XVI century. Dear chased salaries were decorated with colored enamel on filigree. At the end of the XVII century. gained popularity salaries of solid silver sheet for the assignment over the faces and hands. They were decorated with engraving. In the ornamentation of emerged curvy shape of the European Baroque - vysokorelefnye bundles of fruit and flowers, to remain in the decoration of the salary until the middle of the XVIII century. Then they were pushed back styling rococo actively used the motif of broken shells. Classicism came to the Russian silver in Baroque painting, particularly in the province. Pots, pillars, ribbons, garlands, which appeared in the decoration of the salary, initially looked ponderous. By the turn of XVIII - XIX centuries. they have become more refined, and then gave way to strict forms of elegant Empire. In the middle of the XIX century. general interest in Russia's antiquities could not affect the decoration of the salary. PA Ovchinnikov, founder of Moscow's largest jewelry company, revived the technique of cloisonne enamel and enamel on filigree, which soon reached the highest perfection, and achieved widespread use. Introduction colored enamel, in artistic terms is competing with precious stones, increased the aesthetic impression of silverware. In the preferred coinage given to "fryazhskim grass" - Russian silver ornaments XVI-XVIIvv. Russian jewelry art of the second half of XIX - beginning of XX century. enjoyed worldwide fame, the works of firms Verhovtseva, brothers Grachev, Sazikov, Khlebnikov and sons, etc. repeatedly received awards at international exhibitions. Special beauty of different salaries, performed at the beginning of XX century. nouveau an appeal to the early Christian motives. This is the history of icons, decorated salaries.

NATA NOVA 24.07.2009 17:13

The icons are big (25h30sm note) and heavy (metal-drag note 1-2 kg)
Technician enamel of different min-5, (how much is 1kg of silver?)
And each color enamel has a different melting temperature (and baked separately). Only rospis of enamel (portrait) can reach 12 layers!
How to buy, expensive, probably, but how much of the work is left? Is it expensive?
I honestly do not know, just ask ...

24.07.2009 18:53

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 489426)
praying not "a piece of wood", and the fact that the image on the points.

And sell, sell what?. "MOT" sacred. Or a piece of wood shod with silver or gold.
I am always struck by cynical sellers icons, and discusses the high cost - "... it is as old namolennaya!"
So, moving away from the Biblical canon, writing on the faces of the boards, did not stop but went even further - turned into tovar.Dazhe blessed and namolennye!.


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