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Tana 02.04.2009 20:12

agree fross
finally people can decided "all that easy come back-breaking labor to invest in art?
  and we're a joke joke, seriously needs to be, tovarischi, not every day you are asked to sell Malevich or Soutine ...
seems to have recently experienced due to sales, oh, probably happiness stunned!:)

SAH 02.04.2009 20:17

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 297716)

At that time they sold, they are buying.:)

dedulya37 02.04.2009 20:18

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Сообщение от Tana (Сообщение 297906)
finally decided to be a man "all that easy come back-breaking labor to invest in art?

And you what Svetlana you mean?

Tana 02.04.2009 20:21

Grandpa, "Of course, the one that created this topic, but what else wishing to get there?:)
TA that you have already probably due to something bought a
(not to let his hands go home, and sorry for nothing half-plane chase)

dedulya37 02.04.2009 20:27

Tana, totally agree with you.

патриот 02.04.2009 20:48

I think that talking about buying such authors should not be discussed at the forum. "Money loves silence"

Кирилл Сызранский 02.04.2009 21:35

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Сообщение от patriot (Сообщение 298026)
I think that talking about buying such authors should not be discussed at the forum. "

Talk about buying in general should not be discussed.
Want Soutine-fly to Paris and buy.

Станиславский 02.04.2009 21:55

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Сообщение от Svetlana (Сообщение 296466)
Buy the work of Chaim Soutine, Malevich

Can sell unless Chaim Soutine and Kazimir Malevich:)

Tana 02.04.2009 22:51

But Malevich was, most recently, with "the family", with provenance, just 60mnl.!

ранжер 03.04.2009 10:50

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 297826)
ranzher, if you do not understand French so even asked people who know the language!
I am not for myself, I have the remnants of the language of the school course, but the LSR fluent.
So on your attribution is written on fr.yaz. "attributed to both! H. Sutin"!
For all international rules, this means that authorship is not supported by 100%, but possibly as a means!

Dear uriart,

Visit the exhibition of the artist, the possession of photographs of his works, surely enrich the knowledge of art lovers. However, it appears that this is not enough to make categorical statements about the judgments of people professionally involved in the topic and not tarnished his reputation.
And it is quite absurd to look at your teaching where you yourselves have identified the man malosveduschim.
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In the Russian language, in museum practice and art criticism under the attribution is commonly understood as the establishment (as defined), author of the work, time and place of its creation. A similar significance has this word in other languages, including French. When specialist attributed to the product without a signature or with an incorrect signature, it defines the author and is responsible for it, risking, at least, his professional reputation. Of course, as the French say, the risk of 0 does not exist, and errors, as in any other profession. Yes, and a professional from the professional is different, a more experienced, more talented than others. But in general, has not yet shown clear evidence to the contrary, the determining factor is a professional opinion, gave its opinion.
The fact that you think "international rules" is actually a sly terminology, as a routine auction houses (mainly Anglo-Saxon and not too long ago), intended to evade responsibility, as outlined above. With the same purpose, the definitions "of such a school", "entourage of a certain" etc. In other words, the aggressive commerce in their own interests trying to emasculate the content of the generally accepted term of art history. Unfortunately, not only here.
Conformal perception of works of art humanly understandable. I want to, get informed, to know at a glance, without distracting from the generally accepted number. Otherness spontaneously evokes a feeling of rejection. But the otherness otherness hatred. There are cases where enough is not very high quality photos to make a definite and final conclusion that the forum has repeatedly happened. However, you can remember and cite numerous examples of atypical works by artists both known and yet not very.
Atypical things are not the verdict of its authorship.
40 years ago, something prompted a French expert called H. Soutine portrait of the author of this unpretentious, and later E. Kovtun confirm this view. Yes, and actual examination did not reject the idea out of hand, and working, studying, exploring, in general, as it should be professionals.
We do not know the circumstances. Perhaps the first expert familiar with the history of this work, perhaps he had other arguments, but they had been. Of course, at all times there were not very unscrupulous people, but still 40 years ago, the world in the sense of professional integrity was different, as, indeed, and the system of public procurement and peer responsibilities in France.
The owner of a portrait showing his son M. Kikoina artist Yankel, who also spoke in favor of the expert version, but as portrayed called the landlord's daughter, where he lived Soutine.
Since they are neither the owner nor the seller of this portrait, on all issues concerned can forward directly to its owner.
A few words about the price. The picturesque quality of the portrait, the absence of the author's signature, size, the difference from the well-known examples, like you, uriart, Observation notice gave no reason for high prices. Nevertheless, it has some collector's interest as a curiosity associated with the works of famous artist. As takogogo and may in this forum.
In conclusion, I wish before a peremptory vehemence teenager to make certain judgments, assume that one person to whom they are intended may be informed about this issue as much as you, maybe he, like you, are interested in this topic, also goes to the exhibition , reads books, and try to kindly look into the fact that he says.
And you further discoveries in the field of art in your work.


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