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-   -   Maurice Denis (1870-1943) (https://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=23166)

voloviks 04.04.2009 10:25

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 301986)
No, I really do not like Maurice Denis. "Primitive stoplight" (which sometimes I really even like it - see some representatives of German expressionism) to look at Nabidov useless. Of course, everything is relative: Denis - a good artist. But compared with such brilliant figures like Bonnard, Vuillard and Denis seems amorphous, devoid of energy and very pretentious - a sort of mixture of Puvis de Chavannes with wallpaper Liberty

I did not expect from you such a superficial perception. Puvis de Chavannes, of course, naive, and the opposition Bonnard and Vuillard meaningless. Maurice Denis theorist of the movement "Nabi" ( "prophets"), Gauguin and the Japanese passion for drawing was the basis of directions. Color Denis in Japanese refined, and singing from the same plastic lines. And in general to compare the artists is a thankless task and not reasonable. To love or not love - this is understandable, but to compare? Your comparison sometimes resemble asphalt.

Кирилл Сызранский 04.04.2009 10:37

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Сообщение от voloviks (Сообщение 302066)
Color Denis in Japanese refined

And what about the color "finesse" the Japanese say?
I am so special is the color finesse and not seen ...
Hokusai? His "surimono? Or portraits of kabuki actors? Or Bokusen?

LCR 04.04.2009 10:57

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Сообщение от voloviks (Сообщение 302066)
I did not expect from you such a superficial perception.

You must not angry with me, I try to because of their limited abilities, do not ask me too much! :)

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Сообщение от voloviks (Сообщение 302066)
Puvis de Chavannes, of course, naive

No, Puvis de Chavannes was not naive, but on the contrary, very tserebralen (he has faithfully followed the theological direction of Saint-Sulpice, and in general theoretically justified all his works).

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Сообщение от voloviks (Сообщение 302066)
opposition Bonnard and Vuillard meaningless. Maurice Denis theorist of the movement "Nabi" ( "prophets"), Gauguin and the Japanese passion for drawing was the basis of directions. Color Denis in Japanese refined, and singing from the same plastic lines. And in general to compare the artists is a thankless task and not reasonable. To love or not love - this is understandable, but to compare? Your comparison sometimes resemble paver.

Stop practicing casuistry, Doctor! "Do not compare artists" - is nothing more than a figure of style: it is precisely by comparing and determined taste preferences:)

I am grateful to you for what you reminded me that Denis was the theoretician of the movement "Nabi" (my memory is really not the same as going to the first page of this branch to see what I wrote there, I am lazy) but let me once again disagree with you: a comparison with Denis and Bonnard Vuillard was not meaningless - it's about a group of artists that includes a stylistic affinity, but in this case is just the most clearly identifies the personal qualities of each. I insist on the fact that creativity Bonnard and Vuillard immeasurably important than the products Denis.

P.S. You talk about Japanese prints, which influenced Denis (not only on him, at all Nabidov), the similarity of their colors. But do not forget that these prints - painted printed graphics small size, and Maurice Denis to make healthy oryasiny on which color looks quite different.

Here are my suggestions:)

voloviks 04.04.2009 10:59

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 302096)
Hokusai? His "surimono? Or portraits of kabuki actors? Or Bokusen?

About Shiba Kokan Harushige, Ando Hiroshige, Utagawa Kuniyoshi, Yoshitsune Dzhunkushin.

Кирилл Сызранский 04.04.2009 11:07

voloviks, but who have been realized because of ...
In Van Gogh Entire Bridge in the rain in imitation of the Hiroshige.

voloviks 04.04.2009 11:11

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 302206)
that creativity Bonnard and Vuillard immeasurably important than products Denis.

So what do you compare the work with the products? Michelangelo with cats - piggy banks do not compare.

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 302206)
but let me again you do not agree

Not allow. Denis has the right to life and love for him. Otherwise, you are no different from the remote from the forum "revolyutsionerov.

Кирилл Сызранский 04.04.2009 11:15

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Сообщение от voloviks (Сообщение 302266)
Do not allow it. Denis has the right to life and love for him. Otherwise, you are no different from the remote from the forum "revolyutsionerov.

you, professor, you will, something awkward invented! It may be, and smart, but painfully clear. Above you will make fun of. (c)

LCR 04.04.2009 11:22

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Сообщение от voloviks (Сообщение 302266)
So what do you compare the work with the products? Michelangelo with cats - piggy banks do not compare.

Not allow. Denis has the right to life and love for him. Otherwise, you are no different from the remote from the forum "revolyutsionerov".


I protest! Life of Maurice Denis deprived not I !!!!!
Your message appears on the slogan ProLife (my sympathies lie on the side ProChoice).

Theoretically, all have the right to love - can and must love Denis, can and must love Nalbandian. You can and should love and our Pavlik - he also has the right to life and love than he is worse than Maurice Denis? Theoretically.
But how do you manage it in practice - and not you? And what we then do with talent, which some have more and others less?

dedulya37 04.04.2009 11:22

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Сообщение от voloviks (Сообщение 302266)
But otherwise, you are no different from the remote from the forum "revolyutsionerov.

In vain, madam, his little head into the jaws of the lion fuss. Bite. This is good advice.

P.S. Well, I started ...

voloviks 04.04.2009 11:34

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 302326)
for nothing, madam, his little head into the jaws of the lion fuss. Bite. This is good advice.

Poperhnetsya. This I say to you as a doctor.

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 302326)
P.S. Well, I started ...

Almost finished. Bearded anecdote:
There is a dispute Armenian and Georgian:
Arm.: An Armenian is better than the Georgians!
Nat: Well, what! What?
Arm: The Georgians.


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