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Кирилл Сызранский 24.02.2009 15:41

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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 234176)
Lomykin, unfortunately, has already "spent" name ...

I, for example, correctly your idea, vyadem, understood.
A second, more correctly, the first Tsvetkova (Lot 84 "Spring") was already, or simply exhibited similar?

vyadem 24.02.2009 16:03

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 235796)
For example, I correctly your idea, vyadem, understood.
A second, more correctly, the first Tsvetkova (Lot 84 "Spring") was already, or simply exhibited similar?

Well then you my many thanks:)

You know I do suspect that Valentina was very fond of this place and this story. Since these pictures I have seen quite a few. I, for instance, hangs a small work performed from the same place, only the flowers are white. So it is difficult to answer. Maybe exhibited somewhere.

Кропоткин 25.02.2009 20:48

Yaya, the attention of Ukrainian collectors!
Auction "Four Corners" is devoted!

Note Lot 26 "in the church. Waiting for "B. Kustodiev. At first glance at the picture you catch yourself on the fact that nothing kustodievskogo in it. Very timidly painted a different style of Kustodiev early 20 th century painting, or made at the time, but another artist, or deliberate falsification. Kustodiyev B. In the 1902 earthquake - the most talented pupil of Ilya Repin was attracted to modernism, admiring the paintings Serov and Zorn, he's probably , wrote sketches of peasant subjects resting in s.Klevantsovo, but they were different in size, and different in style from the paintings exhibited at the auction.
Organizers: V. Fedchishinu with the company and the director of the Museum of Russian Art in Kiev, and in combination, the overriding-naichestneyshemu expert on Ukraine Yuri Vakulenko strongly recommend that you look at the National Art Museum Painting A.Murashko-friend and classmate Kustodiev whose painting at a time perklikalas with paintings of the great Russian artist. And, with a good technological base, is easy to see that the exhibited painting - a notorious falshak.Ko all this raises the question: why such a famous painting and a thorough examination of the artist, the more of such extraordinary size was not included in the field of view of researchers Kustodiev creative heritage, and not included in any directory, is nowhere mentioned previously, ie not included in the scientific revolution. In a word, sensational.
Questionable, since the same, winter etude P. Levchenko 17.Sverhakdemicheskaya lot, too regular and licked clean, distinct from the slightly negligent impressionistic, but the Ukrainian spirit paintings by famous painter. Most likely, winter is a sketch of the painter of western painting signed: Peter Levchenko .
- Much can be said about the authenticity of the lot 31. C. Kolesnikov and lota15. V. Polenov. But particularly recommend to enjoy the fakes to Lomykina that in this auction are sold each year. Amateurish, like a child painted pastel "Morning" - a counter-advertising folk artist of Ukraine, Odessan to Lomykinu. I suggest to the organizers and experts, not to collude with the family Lomykina and dig in the vaults of museums in Kiev and Odessa, to make sure that the "still life" and "Morning" are not nearly on a par with the work of talented Odessa. It seems that the flashing of art "talent," and puffing out his cheeks organizers of the auction vparivayut buyers knowingly false picture, brazenly laughing lohovskimi Novoukrainskaya collectors. Thus it begs the question-righteous and how do today KUSTODIEV? And most importantly, the price of such experts?

vyadem 25.02.2009 20:57

bold and interesting ..

Tana 26.02.2009 00:48

Kropotkin but Kustodiev picture Expert opinion Churakov G. and L. Gladkova (GTG )....

Кропоткин 26.02.2009 02:15

Tana, Dear Tana, unfortunately Ukrainian artrynok formed extremely medlenno.Etim enjoy educated, but cheeky dealers from ikusstva.Delo that the controversy started 2 years ago, VA Petrov, identified a large number of false ekspertiz.vydannyh GTG in chisle.Eksperty, and among them, and G. Churakov disowns them, and refuse to accept these masterpieces for re-examination for fear of criminal and material liability. This information Kiev auctioneers carefully concealed from klientov.Zhazhda profit above all else, and otvetstvennnost can be shifted, as they think they'll cover bumazhkoy.No market though slowly. but formiruetsya.Vsego couple of public pretsidentov recover the material and moral damage to make such figures such ekspertizy.I recheck all the pathos pass. Will stay only Sydoruk and Gorobtsov.

Ася 26.02.2009 10:39

Kropotkin, what kind of Kiev's auctions, in your opinion, has a good reputation?
What do you do an honest collector who wants to buy a real job with a good provenance?

vyadem 26.02.2009 12:16

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Сообщение от Asya (Сообщение 237956)
Kropotkin, what kind of Kiev's auctions, in your opinion, has a good reputation?
What do you do an honest collector who wants to buy a real job with a good provenance?

If the work is really very good and for the "good" price, then I think need to communicate with the auction and make tacit expertise with "his" expert, who really trust ... ranging from chemistry, Roentgen, etc. .. Even a week which takes pre-auction exhibition, this issue can be resolved. If it is confirmed - participates, no - please let auctioneers, and then at their own risk.

DENIS 26.02.2009 12:18

Kropotkin, is very correct and timely razgovor.Ya carefully examined, presented at the auction lots and I can say that probably lzhekustodiev, like the rest belong to the Kiev lzhekartiny chinovnikam.Ustroiteli auction are simply afraid to refuse lzhekollektsioneram and exhibited a very dubious pictures of Russian classics in prodazhu.Posmotrim who buy them and everything will just buy yasno.Skoree surrogates, the truth of this picture will not podlinnymi.Ni one self-respecting museum would not take such "Kustodiev on vystavku.Hot with" Four Corners " all ponyatno.Vspomnim scandals fielded their pictures T. Yablonska, when a court recognized the fake "Yablonskikh"-podlinnymi.Ponyatno that the owners of such "Yablonskikh. "Kustodiev", "Levchenko," can the court and the country-VSE.Pechalno that the rest-molchat.A at the Tretyakov Gallery in Moscow, then at least Galina Churakov and respectable lady, but it seems "green" misled by the devil . On LI Gladkova, the famous lover of money, much to talk budu.Bolshaya of false Repin, Malyavin, Sapunova, Aivazovsky, Korovin, Kiseleva, Shishkin, Orlovsky - worth it for her signature and her sovesti.Na happened last week see more opinions signed by Yu.Vakulenko.Formulirovki-flowing, ie the money-takes, and opinions set profanatsiya.Uvazhayuschy a judge is not napishet.Moskovskie art, laughing. TALK-poleznyy.Pochemu auction is not responsible for exhibiting Fake? A strongly advise buyers to check on past purchased "Four Corners" picture-find many interesting and useful.

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Asja, If you buy a painting of the classics, especially provenansom.A asks about when I realized that there was a true story and pictures of life-turning to 2, or even better 3 art historians who have studied only intnresuyuschego you hudozhnika.I if their views match-make a choice to buy or not. Technological expertise in Kiev is better not doveryat.Ona can only advise you to do promezhutochnaya.Ya tehnoloviyu writing or in pictures Artkonsaltinge, or in the center of I. Grabar. And if it's about artists of the first dozens, then it is better there and there. Reinsurance does not hurt. And do not hesitate to contact the best art historians.

26.02.2009 13:00

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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 238116)
If the work is really very good and for the "good" price, then I think need to communicate with the auction and make tacit expertise with "his" expert, who really trust ... ranging from chemistry, Roentgen and etc. .. Even for a week, which runs pre-auction exhibition, this issue can be resolved. If it is confirmed - participates, no - please let auctioneers, and then at their own risk.

It is, in the spirit of "Kiev" staging voprosa.V Tula - with his samovar, I advise to go further, with an auction to have a man with spisochkom next "trust" of experts ready to appropriate rates to create a "unofficial" examination. And the circle closes.


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