Ninni, could you with an example of what a picture, pls:)

Dear Ladies, I recognize the right of private opinion, but there is such a thing "as you know, time-tested". Main surrealists, which you then watered, namely, Magritte, Dali, Delvaux, Ernst, Dominguez, were innovators who developed and created a new style. We can not deny their individuality and follow the main postulate of the concept of "surrealism". They were really stretched galaxy of artists who felt that it is very easy and start trying to go at this. But the founders were no doubt invented and subsequently implemented new ideas, which were not up to that time.
Ninni, with the Bosch you enough. Bosch was out of time and this is clearly not the combination of dream and reality is something else ... well as Goya. This idea of the existence of another world and a vision of how he looks or how he could look like our world, but that excuse does not meet the basic tenets of surrealism.

apologia syurrrrealizma
 

As for the ladies, is clear: they did not initially zhaluyut surrealists because they encroached on the exclusive women's benefits - irrationality, intuition and spontaneity. :)
And, judging by the reaction of the ladies, gentlemen attempt kryshevat Surrealists, resolutely failed.

 
Fortunately, even a tiny chance they have left: I'll try to catch him - knowing that if you fail in my attempt to whiten wretches, nothing will save them from the soap factories.

In outlining a plan of protection of Surrealism (from feminism?), I found that out of my head for some reason does not leave an old anecdote:

Someone borrowed a neighbor's pot. When a neighbor asked to return the jug, the reply was: No pitcher you did not give, yes you have it, and there was, besides, it was already a crack, and generally, you broke it myself.

Later I realized that if a pitcher to replace surrealism, this is the main, what can justify surrealism.

If these arguments sufficiently convincing, then I would have it, and confined. :)
If not, you will have to continue. But a little later.

Not convincing.

But it is interesting explanation is, indeed, the emerging trends:):

This is what you do, gentlemen?

Why are you me my Chirico SAG ... littered (as you can see, with anger, I began to stutter, even!) his Surrealists ???!!!

Open your own story or go to Apollinaria in its "Visionary Art" and holding forth there a plenty! : (


And here and there. I can tell you, as Freud said Dalishke (and do not tell me that Freud is not the authority - and I do not know you, but I must admit that sometimes he did not stupid comments) that irrationality, intuition, and spontaneity (especially the spontaneity! ) should be sought in the normal art, and these, as they are, the Surrealists, one vykabluchivanie and artificiality.

 

 
Your anecdote, my dear Amateur Fine iskuschstv, you can replace the Kantian story, quoted by Lev Shestov (soglachsites that my sources prestigious yours), when shoppers come to the market and traders said yaytsamm: "the last time you sold me a rotten egg," to which ta she instantly replied: "You're a rotten, and everyone knows that to you in a window at night, officers lazyat!" - Is to surrealism could not replace a pitcher, and the second egg freshness:)

It is interesting to see what will happen next in this debate. It already has and extremely opposite (I would say - exaggerated) estimate, and feminism, and Freud, and Kant, and strong vyrazhenitsa, and anecdotes. Appolinaire and his comrades would have been satisfied.:)

and in what way?


not, bad analog ...

Art-lover

   Please do not ascribe to the ladies of those positions - whom they do not have and do not try to interpret them at their discretion.


   I beg your pardon - it seems I provoked his inappropriate opinion.


Dear Meister, "fame, time-tested" is not a guarantee of talent . Coca-Cola incredibly well known vitamins in it but this did not appear. Despite this, I apologize if you hurt your personal likes - unfortunately it is an integral part of the dispute that eventually absolutely not fruitful because I have rarely seen anything if someone changed their minds because of the dispute and grievance can and accumulate ...
Nevertheless, I'll answer - I'm not so much enough about Bosch and Goya ... Each style has its own premises, its masterminds and implementers of the first steps. It is my deep conviction, and Bosch and Goya - these are for the Surrealists.
"The primary aim of the Surrealists was the spiritual elevation and the separation of spirit from the material" - rather than on carefully thought Bosch in his great paintings. The true surrealist, he certainly was not the same but it was the pit from which drank plenty Surrealists.
"Some people consider Bosch's something like a surrealist XV century, are distilling their unseen images from the depths of the subconscious, and, calling his name, always remember the Salvador Dali"
Goya is generally a separate issue ...


     There are many pictures ...

I also do not really understand why from de Chirico moved to surrealist. As far as I know in the vanguard of the historical period, he was the creator of the so-called "metaphysical school" and refused to exhibit with the Surrealists, despite the fact that they regarded him as his predecessor. Unlike syurov de Chirico in his paintings are not passed to the image of an irrational world. He developed a special form-building tool, through which it tried to express modernity - the state and mood of modern society. This is especially clear at a late stage of his system (mean metaphysical period), when instead of people in his paintings appear mannequins with ovoid heads, devoid of features, but in communication and movement. These creatures from de Chirico - symbols of certain moral state of modern man. His work - not only mysticism (which of course was his admission), but also psychology. Painting "Prodigal Son", "Duet" - one of them. I have no album de Chirico, so unfortunately, can not now something to attach. The conclusion is: in the paintings of de Chirico occurs parallel reality with which he symbolically describes the natural world, gives him his assessment. No communication with the system of surrealism, where the only true and real peace is the subconscious, there is not yet in sight.
Metaphysical School was short-lived, because the students have not been de Chirico, and he soon abandoned his principles. Carlo Carra and Magritte - his followers. Not accidentally Nana, loving de Chirico, Magritte and also bestow. I love de Chirico, because in his metaphysics lot of symbolism, but symbolism - my favorite system. :)

Lev Shestov probably uttered. Although the story is worth it to bring it to the original source:

- Hey, old lady, you bargain rotten eggs! - Says shoppers traders. - What? - Shouted she. - My eggs rotten? You're a spoiled! Do I dare to say this about my product! You! Let not Thy father lice in the trenches stuck, not that your mother with the French twisted, not that your grandmother died in the poorhouse! Look at the whole sheet on the handkerchief wiped out! I know, I suppose, from where all these rags so hats! If it were not officers, not flaunt you in the outfits! Decent something outside his home watching, and so - the very place in the slammer! The holes would stockings patched!
(GWF Hegel, the essay "Who thinks abstractly).

You see, my sources too are worth something:). But since the surrealists were taken to playing games and with Kant, and Hegel, we will assume that Dan paragraph draw.
(However, my jokes meaning slightly different).

Freud was educated in the old-fashioned traditions, and looked askance at all the modernist movement. And in "normal" art he sought not so much intuition as the Oedipus complex and other strawberries.
"Vykabluchivanie and artificiality" - which was, it was - but that is no excuse for total genocide. Duri lacking in any change. Art based on exceptions to the rule.

It will not. But, respecting the feelings of the hostess theme --
- Already else. I invite all stakeholders to move there.

(Two little kittens had a quarrel in the corner
Angry mistress took her broom
And swept away their kitchen fighting kittens
Unable to cope with this, who's right and who is wrong.
... ):)