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Кирилл Сызранский 12.02.2009 22:36


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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 221846)
God, icons and black-black square

In the black-and-black city, the black-black street, a black-and-black house
black-and-black apartment ...

dedulya37 12.02.2009 22:40

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 221876)
In the black-and-black city, the black-black street in a black-and-black house
black-and-black apartment ...

four little black imp traced in black ink drawing of a very pure ...

13.02.2009 10:22

IrinaC, your case has already been described. ASGriboedov Woe from Wit. Epigraph. Destiny - naughty, naughty girl, defined as itself: All the stupid luck of madness, all intelligent - the mountain of the mind.

Ninni 13.02.2009 11:12

Art-lover, largely agree with you except one:
Iconography excludes Creativity in its full sense at a time when PAINTING based on creativity and although considered to be part of the iconography of paintings - many of them disagree.
Use of paints and brushes is not an argument for the reunification of icon painting and painting.
Paints and brushes used by painters and many other remesliniki, but it does not give reason to call them artists.
Icon painters do not have freedom within the canon, but rather the responsibility in this framework.
The Icon is the one-way through the same prayer.

Being a sacred object, the icon is devoid of any elements of freedom not only in its content, but also in the language of artistic forms and pictorial technique.
Great importance and Technology, and spiritual expression of icons, and a great responsibility falls on the icon painter, who must rise to the level of a theologian and a custodian of church tradition.
The icon painter - this is not an artist (in a worldly sense of the word), no "I", "my" here originally should not be. There is only to serve God and people. The challenge - to become a spiritual man, learn to write in prayer and harmony, free from such internal problems: "competition", "plagiarism", "borrowing" and so on ...

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13.02.2009 13:32

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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 221846)
It is tempting to repeat the maneuver Alena elegant, but karma does not allow ...

....... human brain bezgranichny.Otchego same dullness and thriving zuboskalstvo.Skuchno, elementary boring stretch this edifice under the hair or make shlyapkoy.Legche "elegant" maneuver and ..... Thank you very much that as the author and art lover, to keep from taking that step and respond to "genuine" issue an excellent article on the work of Malevich and the Black Square as a symbol .... concluding debate about art and iconography, I worry - it Lunacharskys with friends by traveling icons from the churches in the museum, in good hands.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.02.2009 14:05

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV (Сообщение 222526)
it Lunacharskys his comrades,

Mistaken. Even under Nicholas 2-m have been established drevnetserkovnoy arhiologii and were already diocesan museums. The churchmen were themselves interested in the creation of such museums, and were the initiators of their creation. If you are genuinely interested in the information you find. A "Lunacharskogo" did not care for this ancient church, if they do not contain precious metals.

SAH 13.02.2009 14:21

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV (Сообщение 222526)
Move icons from the churches in the museum

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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 221846)
Icons look good and the art museum, and in the church of their appointment and that is,

Note yet another important seat of the icons collections, homes and apartments believers, private property.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.02.2009 14:37

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV (Сообщение 222526)
it Lunacharskys with friends by traveling the icons from the churches in the museum

Here, look.
The first church museums emerged in the last third of the 19. with spiritual academies - Kiev (1872), St. Petersburg (1879), Moscow (1880), the largest of them was the Museum of the Kiev Theological Academy, consisting of the department of manuscripts, old books and prints, architecture, icon painting, sculpture, numismatics, liturgical utensils and includes historical relics (Cross, which according to legend, St. Sergius of Radonezh blessed conducted. kn. Dmitry Donskoy, et al) Intensive work of collection has greatly increased the number of items the museum and the results of studies of individual exhibits and collections published in the Proceedings of the Academy.
In the late 19 - early 20 century. established a number of museums on the initiative of church and archaeological societies and committees. Museum of Antiquities church opened in Rostov (1883), Tula (1885), Archangel (1886), Podolsk (1890), Stavropol (1894), Voronezh (1901), Chisinau (1904 g.), Orel (1905).
Religious museums opened and through the activities of lay persons - in Vologda (1888), Tiflis (1888), Vitebsk (1893), Mogilev (1897)
At the preliminary figures of the Congress of Museums in Moscow (1912), convened to discuss the pressing issues in the field of museum management, a group of church and archeological museum was one of the most significant. By this time in Russia was about 50 church museums.
After the October Revolution ecclesiastical museums have been eliminated, and their assembly joined in the collection of historical, artistic, natural history museums and formed a "church" departments, replenished in the 1920-s. cult objects of closing churches. In 1930-ies. many historical and art museums were closed or redeveloped in local history and anti-religious. Church collections were partially lost, the most valuable arrived in the largest state museums - Central Museum of Ancient Culture and Art. Andrei Rublev, Museum-Reserve "Kolomna", Novgorod historical-architectural and art museum-reserve, local history museums.
The first museum after the abolition of ecclesiastical museum was reopened in 1944 as the Church archaeological museum at the Moscow Theological Academy. Ecclesiastical Museums open at the moment as in the existing monastery (Museum of the History of the Russian Orthodox Church in the St. Daniel Monastery, Memorial Museum of Patriarch Tikhon in the Donskoy Monastery), and in parish churches throughout Russia (Museum in the Cathedral in the city of Yaroslavl Region Tutaev . in the plans - opening a museum at the Church of St.. Martyr Barbara in with. Povodnevo Myshkin district of the Yaroslavl region, at the Trinity Cathedral in the city of Saratov). Complex relationship that emerged from the 1990's. between major museums and the Russian Orthodox Church on Church property collections of antiquities, is currently not resolved definitively.

Glasha 13.02.2009 14:49

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV (Сообщение 222526)
It's boring, boring elementary strain this edifice under the hair or hat.

VYACHESLAV, and why, in fact, exert this "edifice" where over her hair or hat , and ..? ))

Moreover, once the opinion is expressed?

IrinaC 13.02.2009 15:06

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV (Сообщение 222326)
IrinaC, your case has already been described. ASGriboedov Woe from Wit. Epigraph. Destiny - naughty, naughty girl, defined as itself: All the stupid luck of madness, all intelligent - Woe from Wit.

I really like how you and Samvel divide humanity into clever and foolish, at 90%and 10%.
Himself, of course, record in the 10%and the number of smart. And even doubt that you do not matter: rolleyes:: D


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