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John Preston 27.12.2011 10:29

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Сообщение от Alex Sander (Сообщение 1904291)
Strongly Disagree . For example , if we talk about the topic, which I am interested in our nonconformist artists at Western auctions are one and a half times cheaper. And then once every two or three . Also, not everyone is ready to go to auction , where bargain, take here , for it is scary, especially when not to speak in English , do not know the rules , etc.

Alec, but if we speak of paintings by old masters , it is more expensive in the west , it is an indisputable fact.
There's just more of her fans , serious collectors in Russia can be counted on one hand ...

Amateur 27.12.2011 11:07

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However , the picture is notorious . With it even offers a reproduction of the following sites:
http://www.myartprints.com/a/pieter-...t-anth-26.html

http://www.repro-tableaux.com/a/piet...t-anth-25.html

And here it is attributed to Jan Bruegel .
http://frankzumbach.wordpress.com/20...-st-anthony-2/

here
http://www.lempertz.eu/480.html
it was sold , and argued that the three known variants of this story , this ( before 2011 supposedly unknown ) is the first written in 1625


"A further highlight comes from Pieter Brueghel the Younger. The work Temptation of St Anthony, taxed at 600/700.000, is composed in the tradition of Hieronymus Bosch and Pieter Breughel the Elder. Of the three known versions of this composition, this previously unknown painting, from French private possession, is deemed the highest in terms of quality and richness of motif. It may be considered as the first version by this artist created in 1625 (lot 1041) . "

And to solve the question of the authenticity of this painting from the photo it would be incorrect . Let decides who can buy it. Anyone who has a free 700 000 euro (or more), and who wants to spend it on this picture, probably the most able to pay and that there is not a qualified expert .

Karlin 27.12.2011 11:25

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 1904281)
I have a first degree - linguistic, so there is no need to transfer ...

You can even write in English, at the same time check for errors.
;)>



once you are a linguist, then here's the expert opinion and authentication

http://www.lempertz-online.de/gldet....msb=&martist=0

John Preston 27.12.2011 11:26

However, given pictures of two very different works ...


I can not put them side by side, apparently some kind of protection is ...


Please note - the first is a kind of being near the shore in the lower left corner, and the reduced Amateur - it is not ...

Karlin 27.12.2011 11:34

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 1904401)
However, given pictures of two very different works ...

I can not put them side by side, apparently some kind of protection is ...

Please note - the first is a kind of being near the shore in the lower left corner , and the reduced Amateur - it is not ...

you what a linguist inattentive . or yet English is not taught in school

Of the three known versions of this composition, this previously unknown painting, from French private possession, is deemed the highest in terms of quality and richness of motif.

John Preston 27.12.2011 11:38

Karlin, I understand the meaning written in prison , thanks.

I just commented on what he had written a respected Amateur:

, however , the picture is notorious . Since it even offered reproductions at the following sites :

Of the writing can be understood that the reproduction at the sites that offer it with your work.

Karlin 27.12.2011 11:44

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 1904421)
Karlin, I understand the meaning written in prison , thanks.

I just commented on what he had written a respected Amateur:

, however , the picture is notorious . Since it even offered reproductions at the following sites :

Of the writing can be understood that the reproduction at the sites that offer it with your work .


but you , as they say , stubborn. probably relatives , friends and colleagues you very much.
you there on the link in plain text and picture shows my expert opinion it is , but you persevere about what it prints . well as the right , go in a matter of how some public benefit , but do not climb back to where you were not asked . Shalom

sergejnowo 27.12.2011 12:42

go up a neutral , just stating the facts:
Gutachten: Klaus Ertz, Lingen, 6.12.2010. - Laboratoire M.S.M.A.P. (Microanalyse - Sciences des Matériaux Anciens et du Patrimoine - Etude des objets d'art), Pessac, 18.1.2011 (Bestätigung der Datierung).
The fact that fat means within the meaning of " proof of age " and nothing more.
Provenienz: Französische Privatsammlung in der Normandie (seit 1860-1880).
In the tradition of European auctions, a dry formulation does not say anything at all.
The rest of the description ( philosophy ) in German and English is the " empty space ". There is no specific , common set of comparisons , painted under the supervision of a lawyer.

Karlin 27.12.2011 12:45

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 1904491)
go over neutral, just stating the facts:
Gutachten: Klaus Ertz, Lingen, 6.12.2010. - Laboratoire M.S.M.A.P. (Microanalyse - Sciences des Matériaux Anciens et du Patrimoine - Etude des objets d'art), Pessac, 18.1.2011 (Bestätigung der Datierung).
The fact that fat means within the meaning of " proof of age " and nothing more.
Provenienz: Französische Privatsammlung in der Normandie (seit 1860-1880).
In the tradition of European auctions, a dry formulation does not say anything at all.
The rest of the description ( philosophy ) in German and English is the " empty space ". There is no specific , common set of comparisons , painted under the supervision of a lawyer .



in the tradition of European auctions, you either Christie's experts , nor Sotheby's did not really confirm , but only say that yes, we think , we think , is very similar, but do not give guarantees . therefore, the final decision is always up to the purchaser

sergejnowo 27.12.2011 12:47

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Сообщение от Karlin (Сообщение 1904511)
in the tradition of European auctions, you either Christie's experts, nor Sotheby's did not really confirm, but only say that yes, we think, we think, is very similar, but do not give guarantees.
therefore, the final decision is always for the purchaser

exactly!


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