No, you misunderstand me - I just forgot that you - Mr. know it all. Who would doubt that it is not printing a single directory, but you already know everything, and teaches all again. :)>

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fabosch, I want to say a few kind words about the monitor's Sony, which I use - one hundred percent match colors. I even stopped going to the printer, which very happy. Do the files in Photoshop, send them a disk and I bring a quality that I expected. About the other monitors I do not know, but my I even specifically calibrated and that's such an amazing result.

Again, in my view, this result may be mandatory in tandem: a great display + good press

fabosch,
iside, in the printing press just before doing color proofs , you will not only spetsmonitor for this special inkjet printer costs .
Then, fitting directly at offset - all I have painted in the price . The only thing that I do not understand my order , weighs 65 kg , and the papers I have written 105 kg , well, 10%of the crop, and that up to 30 kg will do makeready ?
Number printed straight at me , what the mediators ?
Translation is a translation . If you add the green in RGB , then added a little paint , but it's the same in CMYK requires to change the set-up for 2 or even three colors , r e on the machine. Secondly , what is added to the computer, it's all virtual and real float - process depends on the temperature of paint and other things.
I have the book Picasso and Van Gogh are printed in the West supertipografiyah top-end publishers. The colors do not match. They probably forgot to put the "magic" monitor.

Yes , iside, in fact , having a decent monitor with the correct matrix ( here simply do not have spare money - he will pay for itself ) and a good graphics card on your computer, you can completely own and adjust to the printing press, which collaborated with .
In good and should work on Mac , but it can afford to live and on the PC. In principle, the PC time to customize the display colors " move down " and therefore should periodically adjust the color settings of the monitor.

Iside, fabosch, friends - all of you are right, but unfortunately, our reality is far from ideal. I also recently published a directory and ran into the same problems. A good print shop to look for a year "with a lantern," and a professional designer - with two "lights", but if you can find - they just "turn off" when he will announce the price. :)> Around hundreds of middlemen who do nothing and just carry your files from place to place, winding with 100%. To understand this without training is simply unrealistic, so there is still a large element of luck.

     I chose the offset, and the price and quality it was better than the figures (that's a paradox :confused:>). While it may be somewhere and have a good figure, I was not caught. He worked directly with the printing press. Turkel himself in Indizayne, color correction done on the computer screen on their profiles that they have provided me. Then he sat still with them, watched all of them on the monitor. Then he stood next to the offset machine and controlled the "Vasya". Still on the color distortion can not escape. Especially in decorative works. Blue will get, not red, ink well, yellow is bad and so on without end. We must choose a middle option, in which most of the work looks fine. I think it's inevitable.
I've seen in my life only one catalog, 90%of the colors which come in the original. This is a directory of Masaccio. I bought it at the outlet of the Brancacci Chapel.

Yes, it's true about the MAC . I tried , but I was annoyed Macs do not have the patience to get used to - unfortunately, we do not mix. About the " move down " was such a suspicion , but , fortunately, I regularly buy new , so the problem solved itself :)>

This is - offset . I cried , sweated , lost appetite , whenever you spend time in the printing . Especially, there was a feeling that "John" understands even less than I and the passage of time would make him sick, in the hope that the process will go faster. Now I'm just happy as we wrote above - only numbers and no headaches . :)>

Any change to the virtual machine is physically reflected in the derivation of forms (in the case of offset), then there is the virtual change in the "green" (which are very different, do not you explain it to me, you - the artist and know it better than me), then of course affect physically, perhaps, not at 2 or 3, and perhaps on all four forms. That's it. So you are on your computer to the point that it is necessary and it changes the future plates. And with these forms you need to get a print the result, which is achieved on the computer. This is what you wrote is true. And then all have their own standards: how to print the thing still has more or less standardized. There simply observe the technology and then get that right. Well of course when receiving a print can already adjust a little to one side or another. But if you did not work well all on your computer, no printer you already do not fix it. And if one correct, then, as a rule, more ruin. Therefore, Seriy, make the most of everything on the screen and require that the sample was similar to what was on the screen. And then just on the sample they are required to print edition already. Of course some deviations are inevitable. They'll always be. Just you as the author of the cards - Your task is to target the most accurate transfer is important for you and ensure that at each stage. Sorry for the wordiness, just hope when something useful for you to say.

There is no album with a perfect color reproduction. And can not be. And you will not. Even if you do an almost perfect color correction (and it may not be perfect, by definition, because after the color correction on the computer, the transformation of the first file while converting it to CMYK, then with Rip and output to tape, and then when copying to form (well, or directly from a file on the form - so, too, now do). Each of these operations anyway skazyvatsya for color reproduction. More or less the correct color can be achieved in a single print reproductions printed on one sheet and attach with a very great effort. And when print any multi-album on the same printed sheet printed from 2 to 16 pages of the album. And in this situation, any correction to print one of the pictures will inevitably change (it may well be that the worse) in the remainder.
Nevertheless, print and achieve good results with some effort, but the ideal will never be

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DSF, you are absolutely correct . And a good printing press is not so easy to find because most are only interested in " wall " that is simply " loot ." And that, I think 90-95%. That's understandable , because , again, 90-95%of their orders and do not require a careful how working with color - it just does not need any client, nor to them. If only it was " Porozovo " and " brighter ". To figure it out or have to be a professional or spend a lot of time /money .
And about getting the color you write very well - this is a compromise between the various options.

fabosch, thank you.
 The fact that I have the monitor and what I saw on the screen coder - exactly the same, no correction is needed. Why then the discrepancy in the case of digital printing explained to me as I wrote here.
Color photo, I did not touch at all-made coverage is that the color camera shot is true, then only adjusted the brightness, contrast-to some common denominator.
And I, in principle, the results printed on the figure of happy-bright, saturated, just waiting for all 100%transmission of all colors.
I think the entire directory to print on paper 130 gr. First there was the idea of ​​making a more dense cover, but it dramatically increases the cost of all need a new fitting and proofing. And to make the entire directory on the paper above 200 grams and I do not want, it will be hard, and want to see how the catalog was a small log, you can roll up and put it in his pocket, and do not walk like a tin box. T e continue to embody the idea of ​​friendly directory, business cards - small, bright, cheap and convenient. However, the offset, especially on bright images paper 130 gr can shine through the image on the reverse side. Here I sit and think, what the optimal density for such a case the paper ?....

Seriy, I hope you will print on matte melovke?
If so, more than 130 special sense not to take - it does not break much

 
:)> I'm also not against happiness - the next time I will publish in the figure, :)>


Seriy, I have a paper weight 180, did not shine.

fabosch, not glossy, r e as in glossy magazines.
Matt I really even liked it, but they said that the technical specifications for it must be immediately covered with varnish, too dull, for the money.
T e is in the next time you get rich :-)