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polimpa84 08.03.2011 10:37

I still hope to ludshee, I think it made no sense as a fake these pictures, they were selling people have neither a relationship to art, they cut and pasted on hardboard, signed no, I bought them in Israel two weeks ago for $ 500 both, a family of emigrants, just really liked the concept of not having one artist
it was not possible to immediately bring very heavy with the frames, just took a picture for yourself of course the terrible pictures with flash, they zhivem a completely different color and reflection, similar to the originals of these photos that you have posted here.
and now you helped me a lot with the author, I still lean toward one of the author repeats. When do bring a good picture, I think you'd be interested what it would be really!
As for the author, pokapalsya schaz on the Internet, like he lives in the states

SergeiSK 08.03.2011 10:50

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they were selling people have neither a relationship to art, they cut and pasted on hardboard, signed no, I bought them in Israel two weeks ago for $ 500, both in the family of immigrants

This "provenance" nobody else tell :)
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When will bring

Maybe you have another opportunity to cancel the purchase? If yes, then do not buy. If you liked the work and 500 dollars is not money, then look for yourself. Personally, I am inclined to believe that this is not the original work of Kalinin.

polimpa84 08.03.2011 10:59

This "provenance" is more do not tell anyone


I understand the provenance sounds ridiculous, but I'm told it's not for sale, in general, all visitors can continue to mock, make photos and then discuss, maybe you're right! I can say is that the master paintings from reproduction, and the mean copy, I can tell. I did not know the author, I told him! for this OGROMADNOE THANK YOU!

SergeiSK 08.03.2011 11:12

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Generally speaking, all anyone can sneer and more

No one above you is not mocking.
Just understand that the original work of Kalinin are not worth $ 500, even in people who have no relation to art.
They cost much more.
At least an order of magnitude.

redbor 08.03.2011 11:44

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Alec Sander, I think we are all just hoping for the best

There was no fraud there. Do not have anything to hope
 Ordinary copy. Enough to compare with images of the originals, and immediately see the differences between many of the details of paintings. (The colors do not take into account, the cost of photos)
 Here, look "Tea"-see the difference?
As a children's book - "found 12 differences!
Should not expect it myself Kalinin decided to repeat their work

fabosch 08.03.2011 12:35

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 Here, look "Tea"-see the difference?
As a children's book - "found 12 differences!
Should not expect it myself Kalinin decided to repeat their work

redbor, funny thing is that in these images, I think, impossible to detect differences that could not be explained
1) the difference in image quality (ie, in color and developed parts of the image) and
2) geometric distortions, stemming perspective and choice of camera angles.
So with these photographs can not express how something informed judgments.
Of course, some disheartening fact that the works were in the "random" hands, but sometimes life throws those trick ...
Or maybe it yourself "catalog" the originals and there?

redbor 08.03.2011 13:00

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in these images ... it is impossible to detect differences that could not be explained .... maybe it yourself "catalog" and the originals are?

Then, we must take as long as cheap.
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geometric distortions, stemming perspective and choice of camera angles.

fabosch. not sure that it is possible to "explain" differences.
Try for example - all three.
 If the camera angle changes, in your opinion, can affect the image size,
why only the images of some items, leaving the adjacent intact?
(And not only in size but also the location of the picture)

polimpa84 08.03.2011 13:16

I understand that the work of Kalinin's not worth $ 500
if they buy from a man who knows what it Kalinin, but if they have not been signed and were removed 20 years ago and hung on the wall just as the memory of the motherland, the man who brought a can, and he knew the author, but the children and grandchildren have no idea. In understanding human and $ 10000 you can not buy them, in this and the essence of what they bought as a common "picture". So I risked $ 500. I think this amount of money can take the risk, we must now look for a way to Kalinin, if anyone can help in this matter would be very grateful. All visitors can cross your fingers :)

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Here, look," Tea Time "-see the difference?
As a children's book - "found 12 differences!
Should not expect it myself Kalinin decided to repeat their work

and that the 12 differences, these AUTHOR REPETITION and differs from the copy

redbor 08.03.2011 13:25

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if they buy from a man who knows what it Kalinin, but if they have not been signed and were removed 20 years ago and hung on the wall just as the memory of the motherland, the man who brought a can, and he knew the author, but children and grandchildren have no idea

Here it is luck of the present collector!
 Find pearl, where no one suspects!
Funny. Took the time out of the village could bring the 16 th century iconostasis.
 Are only children and grandchildren, the owner of "who knew the author,
born and live in a castle on the island of If, without newspapers, television, internet ...

polimpa84 08.03.2011 13:49

And what in the newspapers, on television and the Internet constantly musiruyut picture Kalinina ??????????????????????
I do like antiques for 8 years, but on these forums learned 2 months ago, and for people far from Antica this space!
Atte. redbor you not-argue, but actually not why!
Sometimes I can buy very good things in Germany, Israel, France, from homes where people have no idea what they own!
In Russia, in this sense, worse, here you are right ALL who have at least something on the wall directly to the Internet and get rich!


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