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Originally Posted by Artoil-A (Post 2711441)

Sell on first bill is not a fantasy but a necessity.
In the neighboring village with my dacha life stealing electricity and laughed vacationers who paid tens of thousands for the winter season.
Now do not laugh - power companies set all counters with automatic readout indicators.
The same will be with the artists . Then start thinking about the effectiveness of sales from the first presentation in the exhibition by the sea of competitors and of the required quality work.

Printers - and the designers are already working. And the sketches, for example, print advertising sign on customers - merchants from the first presentation . Failures 2-3 on hundreds of commercials .
Otherwise the owner of the collection of advertising without paying anything for the failure of the timing of issuance .

You put it so hard that sometimes it is not clear where you rrugaetes and what is not . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Keeper ! Where are you? Boiling malinishnoe done already . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Originally Posted by Artoil-A; 2711441 "

, and then start thinking about the effectiveness of sales from the first presentation in the exhibition by the sea of competitors and of the required quality work.
Failures 2-3 on hundreds of commercials .
Otherwise the owner of the collection of advertising without paying anything for the failure of the timing issue .

Advertising is a necessary product of a transparent and competitive pricing.
Setting aside even the ability , the prices of paintings , especially the young and unknown , usually cause the unprepared human issue . Or rather, the answer ...

Therefore important not to obscure the "quality of work" , and competitive prices on the markets available to them . Or at least sane .
They often also have the artists who live only with arts and, therefore, set up to receive income.

Another thing is that not all artists like the level of prices achieved by the standard in this business.

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Originally Posted by Fed (Post 2711491)

with a transparent and competitive pricing.

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Originally Posted by Fed (Post 2711491)

Another thing is that not all artists like the level of prices achieved by the standard in this business.

Explain what is clear, and the more competitive, pricing, and "made them level"

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Originally Posted by Pavel; 2711581 "

Explain what is clear , and the more competitive , pricing and " the level achieved by "

Paul ! Do not pretend - all of you understand . " The achieved level " in this case , a steady level of demand for porduktsiyu artist in a given size . As you know , there are two prices on the market - one that they want , the other - they give. When those prices are the same, formed a strong demand for the products. As a rule, this regulation deals with gallery (or other intermediary) .
As for pricing transparency (although Fed said advertising ) at the pictures , then , ideally, the price of the product by the author and mediator with which the artist works , should be the same (the difference is not more than 10 %). Then there is no market distortions and violations of the relationship artist galereist - buyer ...

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Originally Posted by Buscador (Post 2711661)

Well, you understand , but I do not. I do not work in the market and in the studio so I do not know and I want to clarify your statement did not satisfy me . The author, mediator , distortions in the relationship does not explain to me how to write the price for the artist . Distortions - distortions , and the price - cost.

In today's interview with Marat Gelman issue market /promotion of artists also mentioned:

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But for you basically - to live and work here in Russia?

Well, yes and no. If I was twenty-five years, I might be, and would have left. I thought a lot about Berlin: I was there a contract last summer, and now some interesting suggestions come. But I have here is some sort of mission. So many people depend on me. Not necessarily financially, but creatively. I have an opportunity to leave, but they are not present. And I still think that my life should have any bright splash and beautiful finish. It is hardly possible to somewhere else. Is that in Berlin. Seriously I only thought about it. There's now a complex situation, and it is clear that there I could make a contribution. Here in New York I just do not need it. Or London. All these cities are just waiting for us as consumers. But Berlin is growing, ever-changing, you can come back and change something.

We did an exhibition in Perm modern French painting. It was found that one-third of artists living in Berlin. Ai Weiwei this year was the German Pavilion, Berlin had luxurious master. This city is becoming a center for artists, as Silicon Valley for IT people.

But there, too, has its problems. And it's very interesting how they will address them. In the city of 200,000 artists and curators is almost there. This is a resource that the city has not yet learned to use. They have not learned how to work with these people as the basis for the creative industry. My perm experience much richer than the one that now is at some Berlin officials.

In the present circumstances, under the current regime it even possible to develop modern art in Russia?

The main problem here lies not in politics. It is clear that on hearing the closing of any of exhibitions, but if you take all the good artists, it turns out that this topic applies only to five percent. Many of the artists involved in the formal things that do not relate to the political situation. There is another problem. Here we have a man who wants to support the arts - it creates a gallery, museum or foundation. Wants it all to show people. But while the artists themselves produce their art in some dreary places. And what happens: there we have "garage", and what would be possible to fill this huge space, we have not. The artists say: "Something you do not produce anything." Because they work in the basement. And in the basement not do the job for the "garage". So the first problem - the lack of patronage. Take the example of China, though there was strict censorship, but the rich people who want to help arts, found himself two or three of the artist and began to invest in them. You have come to the studio of a young guy - 400 yards in his only main hall, but there is still a normal warehouse. In a workshop at the exposure he can build one to one, as it will look in the gallery. So first of all needs to be addressed by specific artists, arrange for them an environment where they can create work. The Soviet system, which maybe was not bad, was left in the hands of someone not clear - the Union of Artists, and the new system did not appear.

And another problem - the fact that we do not have the secondary market. In general, the activity of buyers of art in the world depends primarily on the liquidity now I'm fine, I decorate my house, bought the artist's work for a lot of money. But if tomorrow I'll be bad, I can not, though with a small loss, the picture sold. But if the buyer we will be in such a situation, the market is many times will increase.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky ; 2711891 "

And the other problem - that there is no secondary market . In general, the activity of buyers of art in the world depends primarily on the liquidity now I'm fine , I decorate my house , bought the artist's work for a lot of money. But if tomorrow I 'll be bad, I can not, though with a small loss , the picture sold. But if the buyer we will be in such a situation , the market is many times will increase .

This is what I have been saying for a long time . This is the auction.

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Originally Posted by Pavel; 2711801"

I do not work in the market and in the studio so I do not know and I want to find out

Paul! In the studio there is no money. And I understand that you are interested in the first place. If you spend all the time in the studio in search of creative success, there needs to be a person or organization that will earn am interested on your creative achievements. And just as you can not tomorrow, but today and now. I do not know the price of your work, but finding such a person, you will, at first, to share with them a part of earnings. After all, we are all people and we want to eat ... Then, at a certain attachment to your "promotion" (catalogs, exhibitions, auctions (who am I kidding), subject to the conditions of cooperation (for example, you are complying with specific orders, the increase or decrease in the rate of production, etc.) and some luck on the price of start to grow. you become get for their work anymore. truth and this man, too, will be rich and earn more (on average 30%of the picture.) If it is a gallery, then 50-100%.
If you're looking for someone who will buy all of your work and buy very expensive to get rich in the future (which no one knows), then I think that fools no longer exists. During his lifetime, few of the artists of the past became a millionaire (as you want). If you do not give rest to the current price, the so-called contemporary art, there are other laws.
PSEto only my opinion and I do not claim to truth ...

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky ; 2711891 "

But if tomorrow I 'll be bad, I can not, though with a small loss , the picture sold. But if the buyer we will be in such a situation , the market is much increased.

Unfortunately, our situation is such. But as the market was not and is not. A number of potential buyers has fallen sharply .

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Originally Posted by Pavel; 2711801 "

The author, mediator , distortions in the relationship does not explain to me how to write the price for the artist

If you have nowhere to display and do not sell (permanently ), then the price of your product on the market does not exist. If you sell to the customer ( admirer ) of the workshop, so to speak , bypassing the market , the price of your work and remains a fabulous myth. You can talk to 50000, and you do not take and for 1000 . There is no lack of demand in the market. There is no price.

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Originally Posted by Buscador (Post 2712011)

, and I do not claim to truth ...

Well, right.
And I pretend.

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Originally Posted by Pavel (Post 2712061)

I pretend.

Then why all these questions - you had long been known.
Further only disappointment ...