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Pablo 15.01.2014 14:57

Artoil-A, what would you say man in his phrase : "I like the painting" Mona Lisa " , I would be at home even print hung " ) ) There is nothing to say.
And do you think the artist must be an accountant and a marketing and advertising specialist . Plus a few related professions. Yes, and write with pictures. Then why all this? When creativity is converted into work - it does not work. The picture should be written, in any case . Everything else - from the evil

Кирилл Сызранский 15.01.2014 15:31

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Сообщение от Pablo; 2942401"
When creativity is converted into work - it's not art .

Who said anything about " creativity "?
This " accountant, marketer and advertiser, " and not an artist at all, and no creativity - shmorchestvo it does not bother his team hudproduktsii manufacturers hired to sit outside at the pictures, jokes, rhymes entice buyers to this artel daub .

Artoil-A 15.01.2014 15:59

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2942481)
Who said anything about " creativity "?
This " accountant, marketer and advertiser, " and not an artist at all, and no creativity - shmorchestvo it does not bother his team hudproduktsii manufacturers hired to sit outside at the pictures, jokes, rhymes entice buyers to this artel daub .

You forgot to add : " and receive bucks trubli , bucks ... "
By the way , why do that - something to sell and does not smear , and so - many, many times ?

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2942391)
Artoil-A,
You laugh (then put emoticons ) or kidding .

Above you can not laugh . When uzgnaete much missed - it becomes bad .
A people united in the farm and earned . Even on this forum seriously considered prouktsiyu artel . So buy this product . And believe me, a good buy . This is the story . After the Soviet education , the artists managed to retrain and do items on the conveyor. And their serious work did not sell for cheap , pull up fervor " investors in art."

Кирилл Сызранский 15.01.2014 16:58

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You forgot to add : " and receive bucks trubli , bucks ..."

What " bucks" ? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
You as their highest achievement ðóíåò instantiate the entire story about the successful sale of still life for $ 100 .
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Once I saw the Arbat Rozhkov VA - Chief Specialist, my former colleague , collaborator . Talking. I sold his eyes light on a dark still life " old " background for 100 rubles . - About half of his monthly salary of the chief specialist . Work on still life took a total of 2 - 3 days . That's what we talked while I waited for the buyer . But the presence of the sale of still life Rozhkov led to strong confusion . On the one hand, he saw the big money for him . Also, it seemed that someone - then come and take the money. He rightly felt sometimes frisky police tried to appropriate remuneration artist , constantly watching Arbatsko artists. But in the Soviet Union was a powerful cross- system of surveillance of employees of the amateur , so the " werewolves in epaulets " quickly and quietly they may teach .
      Came the sad experience that show income and advances to relatives and friends is extremely dangerous - too much by their standards we have received . Market quickly weaned from kindergarten habits read aloud poems , expecting praise from adults. Had to reduce the social circle , especially with relatives and friends of law enforcement agencies .


Artoil-A 15.01.2014 17:26

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2942541)
What " bucks" ? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
You as their highest achievement ðóíåò instantiate the entire story about the successful sale of still life for $ 100 .

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You do not comprehend what you read . Think about it:

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I sold his eyes light on a dark still life " old " background for 100 rubles . - About half of his monthly salary of the chief specialist . Work on still life took a total of 2 - 3 days
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Came the sad experience that show income and advances to relatives and friends is extremely dangerous - too much by their standards we have received . Market quickly weaned from kindergarten habits read aloud poems , expecting praise from adults .. "

And you're not even a friend, not a relative , and so ... The more such "difficult" sales ( for you) miniatures were several thousand ... You can not imagine that was implemented almost all artistic production. Just your surroundings seem Homeric luck. And I stress that this information applies to the last years of the Soviet Union .

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Сообщение от Pablo (Сообщение 2942401)
Artoil-A, what would you say man in his phrase : "I like the painting" Mona Lisa " , I would be at home even print hung " ) ) There is nothing to say.
And do you think the artist must be an accountant and a marketing and advertising specialist . Plus a few related professions. Yes, and write with pictures. Then why all this? When creativity is converted into work - it does not work. The picture should be written, in any case . Everything else - from the evil

Sale of prints - a lucrative segment of the art market. Only this should be prepared print file : 500 mgbt . - 2 GB. The file must also be adjusted for a good printer . Ie the artist must be still and designer - PRINTER.

mihailovoh 15.01.2014 19:27

Artoil-A,

You really izdevaetes.Vse "conversations" REDD-such "difficult" sales (for you) miniatures were several thousand ...
and posters. what that game naperstki.Kakoe does all this have to zhivopisi.iskusstvu.

Кирилл Сызранский 15.01.2014 19:33

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2942691)
What does this have to do zhivopisi.iskusstvu.

What does Artoil-A is in this forum, that is the question.

Artoil-A 15.01.2014 19:41

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2942691)
Artoil-A,
You really izdevaetes.Vse " conversations " REDD- such "difficult" sales ( for you) miniatures were several thousand ... and posters . what that game naperstki.Kakoe does all this have to zhivopisi.iskusstvu .

 You reduce the artistic process to the performance which is not completed the sale of mass artistic product . And proudly called themselves an artist.
According to current legislation , a freelance artist called the tax a person who has a steady income in the field of painting . Wake up . Soviet times long gone .

mihailovoh 15.01.2014 19:59

Artoil-A,
 " I had planned , provided technical design and sale of artistic production "
On this and govoryu.prodazhu products. Zhudozhestvennogo proizvedeniya.eto under brand is napertski .
I do not buy art prodayu.a Artists ( at the same time advocating a genuine art) and hopefully not the worst .

Artoil-A 15.01.2014 22:18

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 2942771)

I do not buy art prodayu.a Artists ( at the same time advocating a genuine art) and hopefully not the worst .


You just have no idea how to prepare artistic goods. Rather, you do not read manuals on drawing and painting .
And the artistic product needs promotion - he has the properties of advertising.
 By the way, at the beginning of the business - a career I've played orders connoisseurs, but I soon moved away from customers and began to focus on the basic , impersonal mass of buyers - it was so much more profitable .
I think that the sooner gone from artists contact you , the better it will be .


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